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2x respiration rate since Feb 18 2025

h-OS
2 months ago

Hi, does anyone notice after the firmware update the respiration rate become 2x or almost 2x of real value? My Fenix 8, Tactix 7 are like that. Then last night I pair my old Venu 3, it gives my a proper value. This morning, I got a new Venu 3 firmware update, after the update, it becomes as bad as my Fenix 8. 

I use other devices such as the Clinic grade Masimo to check and compare my respiration rate, yes, it confirms Fenix 8 is indeed not showing proper value.

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  • 0 1 month ago in reply to trux

    Guarda che non ci vuole nulla a calcolare i respiri al minuto. Basta contarli nell'intervallo dei 60 secondi e verificarlo dall'orologio. Puntualmente ne conto 13/14 e l'orologio mi segna 18/20....non è difficile. Poi che senso ha più dispositivi che leggono una frequenza respiratoria diversa. Qual è il valore corretto? Devono essere tutti uguali le misure. 

  • 0 1 month ago in reply to 7791542

    As in my YouTube bellow, the entire breathing rate of Garmin now is not making any sense by evidence. Masimo produce medical devices is a standard reference. Garmin , if it is still a quality company must verify and bench mark their product release, not just giving nonsense excuses to us who pay thousand of dollars for the products. Those behavior shows poor quality control in a company. I work in Silicon Valley as design engineers and design department directors for 40 years, never I see this type of using engineer’s words as excuse to the customers when things by evidence have gone wrong. Real high tech admit and correct it, that’s damage control. Why wasting time on excuses?

    the step Garmin took in this case is showing they don’t have expertise in this area and not willing to keep quality as before. They think their so called engineering team can play GOD to over write human vital signs. It is a hopeless case after I spend thousands of usd and trusting them since 2018.

    youtu.be/XnESfRWkP9o

  • 0 1 month ago

    More responsive and accurate yet doesn’t align with reality at all? I can be seated or laying down and count my breaths around 8-10 bpm. The watch is showing low 20 bpm. It’s way off. It was much more accurate prior to the update. The engineers need to actually use the product and test it.

  • 0 1 month ago in reply to Garmin-Laurie

    Reattivo non vuol dire dare numeri a caso ma più rapido a individuare le variazioni della respirazione in maniera precisa. 

  • +1 1 month ago in reply to tpdietz59
    tpdietz59 said:
     I can maybe understand more variability, but it should not affect the average respiration rate. You can clearly se the almost 2x jump in my average respiration rate after the update.

    Garmin is dedicated to making this as accurate as possible. And they did/do anticipate that this is going to be reading higher average respiration. The update increased the range to detect higher and lower respiration ranges. That being said, if you still feel this is not tracking accurately we would love to collect evidence on this. 

    For this, you could record a Breathwork activity. Then manually count your breaths throughout the activity. Does the breaths per minutes track correctly? 

    If you do this, and are noticing inaccuracies still, feel free to reach out to me via Private Message. 

  • 0 1 month ago in reply to Garmin-Laurie

    And there is another serious evidence posted above

    https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/fenix-8-series/405245/2x-respiration-rate-since-feb-18-2025/1922360#1922360

    7791542 said:

    Here detail data from the Web-API:

    especially the values where body is in rest are now much higher and the medians are wrong now:


    interesting thing is: it seems to affect the data collection in rest and at night more then during the day.

    Honestly the facts are against the "works as by design" argument.

  • 0 1 month ago in reply to Garmin-Laurie

    The following YouTube is a reality by evidence. It is from Garmin previous and present yoga apps. It compared with Masimo. What to argue further?

    it is not inaccurate it is completely nonsense results, no different than get some arbitrary numbers and call it result. 

    Garmin investors and CEO can accept this type of “engineering “ work?  This just proof the engineer don’t bench mark with competitors, and don’t correlate with previous data, and don’t check with human reality. But hand waving,

    upto now, there is zero evidence published by Garmin engineering to show the issue has been solved properly.

    It is just a very simply thing. Garmin shows its bench mark with their competitors on the result of the breathing rate tracking. Lets the result talk. Not keep hand waving by the name of engineering. Engineering lets data and result talk. Not all of these woo woo unmeasurable opinions hand waving.  

    Garmin upper management can accept this?   I am really speechless. 

    It is Garmin and those “ engineers” job to show a bench mark comparison with competitors such as, Apple Watch, Masimo, to see how good  is Garmin’s result. To prove to the consumers Garmin is doing good. It is not to keep argue with customers to defend the Garmin “engineering “ team with empty words in the expense of the customers. We pay, at least I pay thousand of usd, Garmin has a responsibility to keep its quality. I have never get into this type of thing with Garmin until March 2025. The company seems changes to a completely different company.


    youtu.be/XnESfRWkP9o

  • 0 1 month ago in reply to Garmin-Laurie

    I have sent in yoga activities where I was literally meditating and breathing around 6-8 bpm and the watch was recording like high teens/twenties. There’s also seems to be an issue where it will start lower and slowly raise the rate over time even though your breathing may have slowed. I sent all this data in.

     The other thing mentioned is that the nighttime and at rest numbers are even more out of whack than the awake and active rates.

     There is something really wrong with the numbers being calculated. All we have to do i count our breath for 60 seconds and compare reality to Garmin number. It’s way off.

  • 0 1 month ago in reply to 3304969

    Just tried a manual test, my F8 is within 1 bpm of actual. It did previously rise by 3 bpm at the firmware update but is now back to previous levels.

  • 0 1 month ago

    Dati sempre più imprecisi, circa 10 respiri al minuto e il Fenix 8 me ne segna quasi il doppio. Garmin prendi seriamente in considerazione di risolvere il problema. L'aggiornamento ha rovinato un dato fondamentale che prima funzionava discretamente.