Show Course on Map

Hi Garmin

I was browsing this forum with no luck of seeing an official answer to this question:
Why can't we get the "show course/track" on map feature? Like on the edge 530? I don't want navigation and i don't want to follow the track exactly, just see it on the map during my activity (Hike / Running / Biking) to see that I more or less follow the right directions.

Can you PLEASE add "show on map" feature? Or at least explain why this is possible on a old edge 520 but not on my new Fenix 6S Sapphire?

Can't imagine that I'm the only one still missing this feature...

Cheers

Jones

  • I just got a Fenix 6 as well, and coming from the Edge 520.  I was searching for this feature as well, and it turns out it doesn't exist.  I contacted Garmin Support to see if they had any recommendations, and the guy said 1) you definitely can't do this, and 2) submit an idea.  And after talking with him for a bit longer, he later told me that there's no way Garmin is going to implement this on the Fenix because it would confuse people who want navigation, and that they would get lots of question on why navigation isn't working....  This was a very frustrating chat with Garmin support.

    I reminded him that the Garmin Edge 520 and 530 have this feature (Making a course always on, with no navigation), and he just kept telling me that these are completely different devices for different use cases. 

    Anyway, enough of my rant, I submitted an idea, but I have some serious doubts that this feature will be implemented.

  • Course navigation on Fenix is pretty broken anyway, at least when navigating on trails. Turn directions are generally not working on trails. Turn notifications I had to turn off the first time I tried navigating because having turn notifications come up every 100 meters on every switchback when there is no actual turn is madness. Off-course /on-course notifications are also quite annoying because my watch goes off-course / on-course all the time for no apparent reason. For example I might stop to tie laces or refill water, and it promptly tells I am off-course even though I am standing right on the trail.

    So to me this proposal makes a lot of sense. I would prefer to have more options such as turning turn directions off (since they are not working anyway) and turning on-course / off-course notifications off. Then it would be pretty much just displaying a course on the map. 

  • I've looked for this feature as well and found a discussion in the fenix 5x forum: https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/fenix-5-series/213765/5x-overlay-of-track-on-map-without-navigation

    The workaround suggested there was to use a small tool called "IMGfromGPX" to create a transparent map file containing only the course, copy this to the watch and activate that map in addition to the normal map. I haven't tried this yet, so I don't have first hand experience. 

  • Thanks a lot, I spend a long time to find a solution and you have it!

  • Course navigation on Fenix is pretty broken anyway, at least when navigating on trails.

    I think that it is a matter or expectations. The map and navigation feature was one of the reasons why I bought my 6X and I use it regularly. Since most of my trail courses are drawn free without any road, trails or paths on the map I don't expect to get turn notifications every time there is an intersection in reality or the trail do a sharp turn. Still it is a fantastic feature to plan a run or bike ride in advance for an unknown area and just hit the woods. 

    If you miss a turn the watch will let you know you are off route in just a few seconds.

  • Since most of my trail courses are drawn free without any road, trails or paths on the map I don't expect to get turn notifications every time there is an intersection in reality or the trail do a sharp turn. Still it is a fantastic feature to plan a run or bike ride in advance for an unknown area and just hit the woods. 

    Right, following a course with a map still works, for the most part. Still I find it unreliable as it loses the course multiple times on any given trail run while I remain perfectly on the course (the watch map showing me right on top of the course). It re-joins the course again but still that is quite annoying. For example, why does it always lose course when I stop to tie shoe laces?

    But here's my main problem with it - in order to follow a course reliably when running on trails in an unfamiliar area I have to pretty much stay on the map screen 100% of time. Turn notifications are completely broken as they just fire every minute for every sharp bend of a course, so I had to turn them off after my first trail run. Without notifications I can't really use other data screens for a prolonged time and have to always return to the map.

    Furthermore, the map just doesn't have enough contrast to see it reliably at running pace. Trails and forest roads look as very narrow 1 pixel lines regardless of the zoom level, and if the lighting conditions are not bright enough, I simply can't see any elements of the map except the course itself, which is rendered as a thick bright line. But then, I would say, my experience navigating with Fenix is not any better than an experience doing breadcrumbs navigation with any other watch (e.g. Suunto watches I used before). I still regularly miss turns despite having the map and supposedly advanced navigation features. Furthermore, on Fenix the "current" position on the map screen is often lagging behind by as much as 10 seconds, which, I find, makes me more likely to run past a turn.

    Furthermore, not only Garmin injects useless turn-by-turn waypoints into the course that don't really work, but it also overwrites any user waypoints that could already be on the course. At least with other watches (e.g. Suunto) I often used my own waypoints as navigation hints or custom directions. I know I can do the same with Fenix as well, but that requires me jumping through the hoops to make that work - create a course as a FIT file in plotaroute.com and manually copy it to the watch via a computer. Overall, I'd say the experience is far from perfect. Garmin could improve navigation experience substantially for advanced users like me by doing just a few small tweaks like improving the map contrast for running activities and properly supporting user waypoints, and allowing user to skip/disable useless pre-generated turn-by-turn directions.

    Furthermore, Garmin navigation doesn't help when the course crosses itself or has an out-and back section or in any other cases when there are multiple possible course paths on the map. There is no arrow to guide you into the specific path. This is definitely less common but I have run into difficulties like that multiple times when trying to follow an existing race course exactly the way it was planned. Similarly, if I go off course for whatever reason and then rejoin it some time later, there is no arrow to tell me which of the two possible directions to go. I find that I have to stop and zoom out far enough to understand which way to go.

     

  • create a course as a FIT file in plotaroute.com and manually copy it to the watch via a computer

    I use GPX/Fit exporter android apk and Gimporter widget for transfer fit files from smartphone to watch. Agree completely with the rest..