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Course - Use Map ... Calculating never ends

Bodya
over 5 years ago


I tried to use for Run activity previously created by Garmin Connect course for 13.5 km.
As I tried courses early with Course set to Course and found it difficult to follow in case if I missed some turn as it simply try to return me on track.
I decided to change Course - Use Map as it should reroute in case of I will be off course.

I started Course with this settings and Calculating seems never completed. I waited more than 10 mins and it still Calculating.
Please help as I really need this functionality.

I tried it few times for different courses, rebooted watch no luck.

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to Bodya

    The difference boils down to this:

    1. Garmin Explore creates Routes - Routes are supposed to be a few points of interest that the watch navigates between (I.E - The actual course is calculated in real time on the watch and can change based on the maps you have)

    2. Garmin Connect creates Tracks - Tracks are breadcrumbs which are supposed to be followed exactly as planned originally (On the server). That's why they have hundreds and thousands of points. The watch is expected to just draw a straight line between each point.

    In Garmin's words: https://support.garmin.com/en-GB/?faq=v0rJAHy2hq3prHjRlxdRw5

    using "use map" tells the watch to try and calculate the course by routing between each 2 consecutive points, and in the case of hundreds, it will take minutes and hours.

    The problem is not that you selected the wrong option but Garmin that should just use the correct method of routing based on whether you chose a Route or a Track (Garmin Handheld devices just do this automatically)

    I assume it's because different teams write the software for different types of devices and forgot to sync on certain critical topics like this one.

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to HESHER

    Thanks a lot!

    This story sounds like it will be impossible to create an automatically course for desired distance by GC. And during performing activity slightly change actual route (for example cos of road repair) and be navigated back to the course by turn by turn (it can be required if I need to pass couple of blocks outside planned course). 

  • +1 over 5 years ago in reply to Bodya

    Yeah. I guess you're right for this specific scenario. Slight smile

    What I suggest - create a track and then convert it to route using basecamp.

    This way it will reduce the number of points to something manageable but still have enough points so the route is very well defined. 

    If you stray off course the watch will navigate back to the closes point using the map.

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to HESHER

    Wow! Thank you so much!

    i am new for Garmin universe. 
    Is Basecamp available for mac?

    Create round trip track for a distance by GC?

    how to get it in Basecamp?

    when I have converted from track to route how to upload it to the watch?

    sorry for tons of question. I really appreciate your help!

  • +1 over 5 years ago in reply to Bodya

    It's actually not trivial but let me try to describe it. Not near Mac now so I will write from memory. Might have mistakes. Let me know if  it doesn't work as expected


    1. download Basecamp for mac (Google it)
    2. Create course in garmin Connect

    3. Export as gpx from GC
    4. Import into Basecamp (Just drag and drop)
    5. Right click and choose convert to route
    6. Select created route and from files menu select "export selected user data"
    7. Open Garmin Explore website and import as route. Make sure you add it to a collection 
    8. Open Garmin Explore on phone and sync to watch. make sure the collection you added to in 7 is chosen to synced to watch

    The route should now be on your watch. Use it in an activity with "use map"

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to HESHER
    HESHER said:
    8. Open Garmin Explore on phone and sync

    Very well written in both your posts.

    Can you share a route copied from your watch created with your 8-point list? Just to see if possible to end up with a similar type with other tools.

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to HESHER

    thank you so much for so detailed instruction!

    will try later today and report for result!

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to Bodya

    sure thing.

    one more note - once you convert to route, you should expect there will be some differences between the original track and the actual navigation because the map may not match the exact path you followed (especially off road - there might be a section that's not mapped)

    for these cases - I recommend to load both versions to the watch. Add [ROUTE] and [TRACK] as prefix so you know which one you're using.

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to HESHER

    Can't wait for night when I am typically doing run. Experimented right now. It seems method works! Have no ability to check routing quality on the real run right now (but any case it was outside this scope). I got route for 13.5 km (I tried this as a track for Course -Use Map previously and Calculating never ended) in my watch via method listed above. Watch was able to complete calculation in about 1 minute for this route, on the map part of route to the beginning of the course (now I am in different location than actual course start point) looks adequate and actual running course looks adequate. I am happy!

    Thank you Thank you very much!!!

    Also, I discovered online explore.garmin.com/ has Import Courses option for Import Data feature, also it says imported tracks will be converted to routes, so I think Basecamp can be excluded from this instruction. Also, it seems Import Courses option allow me to import tracks created early via GC mobile (as automated roundtrips for selected distance) without GPX file export/import routine.

    Based on it instruction to have roundtrip course created automatically for selected distance via GC mobile as routes (and use it with Course - Use Map) can look like:

    1. Created roundtrip course via GC mobile

    2. Sync with device

    3. Open Garmin Explore mobile

    4. Sync with device

    5. Open Garmin Explore WEB explore.garmin.com

    6. Import Data - Import Course

    7. Add imported to collection which can be synced with your device

    8. Open Garmin Explore mobile and sync with device

    9. enjoy your long, very long run %)

    sounds like many steps, but it more long to read than to do, also Basecamp is not required

    Very strange why one Company who developed or at least responsible to control development of all these tools can't properly integrate everything into one smoothly end-user journey. 

  • 0 over 5 years ago

    Have created a course with koomot (about 23 km) and sent it to my F6xPS and saved it via the komoot app on my device offline. If I start my hike app (use map), it is searching forever...

    Transfered the course fit file to bascamp, converted it into a route with basecamp and transfered it on my F6xPS. After about 3 minutes of calculation, it is working on my device.