GPS accuracy is really bad.

And then we also should point out how ridiculous easy it's to change GPS accuracy on the Suunto. 

With Garmin it's almost impossible to find anything. Still trying to figure what mode to use and where I do it.

(Edit - found it)

I do like my Enduro really much, but Garmin need to make things easy. Not even Garmins own "step by step" helps to find it because it's alot of steps that not even there.

Have beem running over 150 km with my new Garmin and i have to say that the bad GPS accuracy is starting to make a impact even on me. 10 km run with the Garmin is about 200 meter longer so i just keeps crushing my earlier STRAVA records! 

I find the Enduro 3 measures longer distances than the Epix 51mm as I posted already. It is possibly due to the gps errors with the extra offset vs. actual adding distance.

Although not so much as you see which is a 2% error.

My 5 km run last night was 0.01 mile difference (about 17 meters), although this was a casual run so I do not know which is correct. 

On a 15km trail race, Epix Pro gave miles 15.21 km vs 15.29 km from.the Enduro 3 (I posted the large offset error in this or another thread)

I cannot get images to show inline currently - distance from 15km trail run, e3 is at the bottom

https://imgur.com/a/nVDy2vC

Possibly caused by the large error here in the Enduro 3 track - to give scale look at the buildings and cars on the left. Enduro 3 track is blue in colour.

https://imgur.com/a/te3HOXQ

I don't know what I where thinking! I means to long also!

It would be interesting to find out if they use the same GPS equipment inside their watches Enduro 3 as in the Fenix 8. These discrepancies are quite unusual.

I think DCRainmaker said all sensors and GPS etc was identical to the Fenix 7 Pro / Epix Pro line.

If we assume it has the same battery as in the Enduro 2 and same GPS chipset, the only way to make a big battery life difference in GPS would be to run the chipset at a lower / power lower accuracy mode I suspect. I doubt changes to underlying OS would account for it.

But we are guessing! What we do have is evidence its not as accurate as last gen. Root cause is unknown. It is mostly very good still - which is why the big offsets when they happen standout. Tracks are often perfect - especially in straight lines.

I really think that GPS is not the same like F7 and FRx55/x65.

we do not share the same component software version.

Sheets 3 - GDrive link to Full Changelog spreadsheets : https://bit.ly/40m2Rad

• GPS (F8/E3) = 2.10 - New software version
• GPS (Fe) = 12.00 - the same like F7 & Epix 2 & E2

Release from 12.xx Beta

socorsu said:

I really think that GPS is not the same like F7 and FRx55/x65

It depends if you are talking about hardware or software.

Almost every multiband GPS watch since the Coros Vertix 2 and then Fenix 7 / Epix used a MediaTek chipset.

Sunnto used a Sony multi-band chipset in their Vertical / Race watches (superb GPS accuracy and battery life incidentally)

Coros used MediaTek since the Vertix 2, through Apex 2 and Pace 3 and the final watch with this chipset was the Vertix 2s.

The new Coros Pace Pro used a new chipset as far as I understand. It is possible Garmin is also using this, although this contradicts that people like DCR who probably know says the GPS did not change.

So it could be firmware, and it is quite likely a new watch would have a new firmware branch, probably branched into a new codeline from 12.00. If the chipset is the same, initial branch is very likely to be the same code.

You cannot draw many conclusions from firmware version numbers without seeing the code, but it is very probably new algorithms are used even if the HW is the same. If the chipset is different, then it will be all new firmware.

The example of Fenix E (rebranding of the Epix 2 standard with new OS) using the same software version like F7 Series (and FRx55/x65) is the proof that F8/E3 are not suing the same hardware component.

This could be a new revision of the chipset, but using a different software numbering.

In the past F6 receive 2 different revision of the GPS chipset, with different software branch.  And after some time Garmin as merged them to avoid confusion (and because upgrade processus was a bit complicated before).