Erg IQ

@lcj2,
Really like what you're doing with ErgIQ! Connection between FR935 to PM5 was easy. The data you present on the watch face is great! The data presented in Connect not so great. Is there any hope that the integration problem between ConnectIQ apps and Garmin activities will get sorted soon? It's really a bummer to see all the great IQ data and charts in Connect all cluttered up with the junk data and charts that Garmin adds to the picture. I suppose the first step would be to at least get IQ distance to propagate to the Activity distance. Can you give us any reason to be optimistic that G will cooperate? Thanks! /M

I don't have any insight into this and to date it hasn't happened. I would suggest posting here (which you've done) so they can see it or contacting Garmin support and letting them know you would like to see it so it is documented. This is not the only application that has people requesting the change and wanting that functionality added. Sorry I don't have a better answer but I'm stuck with the same limitations and frustrations.

What is most likely happening is that you need to turn on in the settings to use the Garmin connected HR source. This will turn on the HR sensor on the watch which should then connect to your HRM. You'll still want to pair your HR strap with the PM5 but it will give you what you want. As you've found, the wrist HR is junk for rowing and way off base. Once you change that setting it should look like this for the two HR recordings:

Thanks for the reply! Where do I change this setting?

/Björn

I have a tactic bravo and was wondering if the app works with the watch. It downloads and opens up on my watch. I could not figure out how to pair it if it is possible. It does keep saying I need to turn on my GPS. Any help would be appreciated.

New at this. I pair my android phone to PM5 via the concept 2 app ERGDATA and when I sync the ERGDATA the information goes to concept 2 logbook and to garmin connect like distance, calories, heart rate (broadcasting from my fenix 5x). My understanding is that syncing ERGDATA with garmin connect is pretty new and al data will be there. With this new feature is there any benifits to use the app Erg IQ instead? my understanding is that Erg IQ you will nog get the distance in garmin connect as You get with ERGDATA.

Please test ERGDATA and compare for You that understand the values better than me.

One thing I dont understand is the calorie calculation, one enter the weight in ERGDATA (for me 70kg) but is the calorie calculation based on that or PM5 calculation for a 79.5kg person? [h=2][/h]

Go into the C2 Log online after uploading a row from ERGdata app and export the Fit File. Upload that to Garmin Connect and you'll have your missing distance.

New at this. I pair my android phone to PM5 via the concept 2 app ERGDATA and when I sync the ERGDATA the information goes to concept 2 logbook and to garmin connect like distance, calories, heart rate (broadcasting from my fenix 5x). My understanding is that syncing ERGDATA with garmin connect is pretty new and al data will be there. With this new feature is there any benifits to use the app Erg IQ instead? my understanding is that Erg IQ you will nog get the distance in garmin connect as You get with ERGDATA.

Please test ERGDATA and compare for You that understand the values better than me.

One thing I dont understand is the calorie calculation, one enter the weight in ERGDATA (for me 70kg) but is the calorie calculation based on that or PM5 calculation for a 79.5kg person?

I've tested the ErgIQ app, the native Garmin "Indoor Rowing" activity, and the Android version of Concept2's "ErgData" app.

Of note: I made this test using a PM5 updated to latest firmware. (not beta firmware)

I'm open to being corrected but this is what I'm noticing:

• In no circumstance is wrist-based optical HR accurate; you MUST use a chest-strap to get any semblance of accurate HR data.
  
• An ANT+ HR strap can be paired to multiple devices at the same time so you can display data on the PM5, Android, and wearable, regardless of app choice.
  
• Garmin's native "Indoor Rowing" app and ErgIQ will both give you "Training Effect" data as it's the wearable being used to directly record the activity.
  
• ErgIQ (assuming you use a paired chest-strap HR sensor), will give stroke rate, heart-rate.
  
• ErgIQ data, however, will NOT correctly display recorded datapoints in native Garmin Connect activity data-fields, including distance. Instead, they end up in "IQ" data-fields. I make a screen cap of a test activity using the ErgIQ app. (see below)
  
• ErgData (Android or iOS app) will display data from the PM5 in appropriate, native data-fields. ErgData, however, operates independently of your Garmin wearable and merely syncs to your Garmin Connect account, therefore, you won't get a training-effect, nor "Training Load" updates from it.
  

Screen cap of ErgIQ activity data: https://i.imgur.com/9BH6iOM.jpg

Is there a way to get data from ErgIQ to display in native data fields or is this a limitation imposed by Garmin? If we're stuck with that limitation, I feel the Android or iOS ErgData apps make more sense, unless you want Training Load and Training Effect, in which case the native "Indoor Rowing" activity is the way to go.

Am I missing something?

I've tested the ErgIQ app, the native Garmin "Indoor Rowing" activity, and the Android version of Concept2's "ErgData" app.

Of note: I made this test using a PM5 updated to latest firmware. (not beta firmware)

I'm open to being corrected but this is what I'm noticing:

• In no circumstance is wrist-based optical HR accurate; you MUST use a chest-strap to get any semblance of accurate HR data.
  
• An ANT+ HR strap can be paired to multiple devices at the same time so you can display data on the PM5, Android, and wearable, regardless of app choice.
  
• Garmin's native "Indoor Rowing" app and ErgIQ will both give you "Training Effect" data as it's the wearable being used to directly record the activity.
  
• ErgIQ (assuming you use a paired chest-strap HR sensor), will give stroke rate, heart-rate.
  
• ErgIQ data, however, will NOT correctly display recorded datapoints in native Garmin Connect activity data-fields, including distance. Instead, they end up in "IQ" data-fields. I make a screen cap of a test activity using the ErgIQ app. (see below)
  
• ErgData (Android or iOS app) will display data from the PM5 in appropriate, native data-fields. ErgData, however, operates independently of your Garmin wearable and merely syncs to your Garmin Connect account, therefore, you won't get a training-effect, nor "Training Load" updates from it.
  

Screen cap of ErgIQ activity data: https://i.imgur.com/9BH6iOM.jpg

Is there a way to get data from ErgIQ to display in native data fields or is this a limitation imposed by Garmin? If we're stuck with that limitation, I feel the Android or iOS ErgData apps make more sense, unless you want Training Load and Training Effect, in which case the native "Indoor Rowing" activity is the way to go.

Am I missing something?

It's been covered thoroughly but Garmin does not honor any of the developer recorded native data, this is not specific to ErgIQ but a problem for all developers. ErgIQ was designed specifically to allow recording the ANT data from your session and storing it. If you have specific needs that is doesn't address or limitations that don't work for you I would suggest doing whatever corrects that. Personally I choose what makes working out easy and requires as little preparation as possible. So only needing my watch at the gym and HR strap works best. As for analysis, Training Peaks and SportTracks use the Garmin developer fields or native fields and calculates the training metrics regardless of source (ErgData or ErgIQ). I agree that multiple conflicting metrics are troublesome but is a limitation out of developers control, sorry I can't offer something better than that. If Garmin in the future uses developer native fields the activity pages will display as you are expecting.

Go into the C2 Log online after uploading a row from ERGdata app and export the Fit File. Upload that to Garmin Connect and you'll have your missing distance.

No need to go into C2 Log online, just sync ERGDATA on the Phone and al data will automatically go over to Garmin Connect. I dont have to manually export any files.

• Garmin's native "Indoor Rowing" app and ErgIQ will both give you "Training Effect" data as it's the wearable being used to directly record the activity.
  Is there a way to get data from ErgIQ to display in native data fields or is this a limitation imposed by Garmin? If we're stuck with that limitation, I feel the Android or iOS ErgData apps make more sense, unless you want Training Load and Training Effect, in which case the native "Indoor Rowing" activity is the way to go.
  
  Am I missing something?

Thanks for a very informative post. ErgIQ did not give me Training Effect, so the 'Row Indoor' app would seem to be the only way for me to get this data.

Therefore, as lcj2 says, the use case for ErgIQ is using a PM5 in the gym where there is no possibility to use a phone. In all other cases, however, ErgData (synced with C2 logbook and then to GC) combined with the Indoor Rowing app manually started for each workout gives the most functionality/data.

Concept2 only in the last month released Garmin Connect synchronisation with the Concept2 logbook. To activate, go your logbook, click on the profile icon in the top right and select Edit Profile, then Applications, then click to connect Garmin Connect.

At the moment splits are not yet synchronised, distance per stroke (DPS) is not reported graphically, and there seems to be a problem in Garmin Connect in that pace is reported in min per mile. I have sent a support request to Garmin requesting they fix the pace plot, and to Concept2 to provide the DPS data.


As an aside, some of the stroke data in the ErgIQ activity I recorded on my fenix 3 was not correct. The number of strokes was less than half the number recorded by ErgData. I think this is because it is based on data from the watch rather than the C2?