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Lots of unfair developers (Garmin, where are you?)

Hello guys!

I am terribly annoyed by the fact that a bunch of similar applications appeared in the app store, in which not a drop of heart and effort was invested. At the same time, the number of such applications and developers is growing rapidly.

For example:

https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/developer/c506e11c-06a8-48a8-9c2f-441e3dd87234/apps

https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/developer/9600e368-ac57-4091-a52f-e45b6e507af5/apps

https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/developer/180d3966-8870-4362-af71-575b78c8d6b3/apps

https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/developer/3f5c726a-cf05-4c3a-b840-c315ccbd4bb8/apps

https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/developer/d4dd2adf-d651-4414-9984-01dc83420eb4/apps

Aside from their gaudy watch faces, what do all these developers have in common? That they use the KiezelPay payment system. For this, there is a separate group in Discord, where their curator gives advice on how to sell and what to do to increase your profit.

The developers release a large number of empty updates for their applications and winds up reviews from a large number of their devices. Obviously, all of his applications do not carry any aesthetic or unique meaning, and the developers are trying to sell it for real money. I am not satisfied with the fact that his applications are constantly shown in the list of popular ones, but we understand that this is only because they have given their applications a large number of positive reviews from their accounts. Please consider blocking these developers or limiting their stay in popular applications.

Thank you for attention! And please express your opinion. It seems to me that now a global problem is being born for the entire Garmin ecosystem, which does not pay attention to such developers and does not try to improve the app's rating and ranking system.

  • For me, this is also an interesting hobby. 

  • How many people are going to pay for these?

  • Probably not a lot, but that could be the reason they were "promoted" in trending to be visible to more people to get more sales.

  • I don't know what happened, but I'm really happy all is back to normal now in the trending category. I really hope Garmin found a permanent solution on this.

  • I'm figuring that these spammy apps won't earn enough to be worth while.

    Of course, someone else will see it as a "great idea," and try it. 

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    Garmin should limit the number of apps a dev can release in a short amount of time.

    It's surprising that the large number of these didn't raise any flags.

  • Hi Jim,

    The devs that might be gaming the system, it's not them, but the guy than manages the payments and takes his significant cut is who makes bank.  They are actually being used it seems.

    I'm the guy that manages the payments and I'm quite offended by this to be honest... That is quite a statement to make about someone you know nothing about and haven't asked anything...

    I contacted Garmin about this problem September 10th and got as response that they looked into it and they did not see anything suspicious. Who am I then to take action against this when I'm being told by the owners of the system that seems to be abused that everything is fine?

    Believe me, I don't want this either, the few $ we're making with their apps falls into nothing compared to the damage this is doing to our reputation, I started with KiezelPay years ago to allow developers to earn some money with great apps they put a lot of work in, hoping it would generate more high quality, well maintained apps, which it does!

    But I really don't like how some developers are abusing it for some quick and easy money either.

    I contacted Garmin again a few days ago when this thread was brought under my attention, and I'm really glad they seem to have gotten it under control now.

  • Sorry if I offended, but it seems you are partly responsible, as the apps all seem to be kpay, and it's something you noted and talked to garmin about.  Seem you could have taken some action on your side and done something too such as turning off kpay for the abusers.  Where does that fit in your terms and conditions?

    Not sure how any apps can be "great" when someone make 50 of them in a few weeks, BTW.  That alone should be a red flag.

  • I totally understand that, and I spent a lot of time thinking about this already.

    The problem is that this is very hard to solve objectively.

    I cannot decide when an app is high quality or junk, that is always subjective, some people might actually like this flower stuff (I don't). And where do I draw the line? When does something become bad enough to refuse?

    It is also hard to put a limit on the amount of apps, for example there is a developer called ntpr on Fitbit who creates awesome stuff, and a lot of it.

    Everyone loves his creations and agrees he is not a spammer (this is what he creates: https://gallery.fitbit.com/developer/752c7f12-8f3b-44db-998f-f2e79866d031)

    As you can see he has created 120 apps already in a pretty short time.

    How can I then say I don't block him, but I do block someone else making the same amount of apps? Just because I think that other developer's apps are not as nice (subjective again).

    My reasoning has always been that low quality crap won't sell, disappear somewhere in the appstore, and with that the incentive to create more also disappears. I hope this will now also happen here, when these apps aren't in trending anymore, only users that actually search for flowers will find it, and I think that is fine.

    If this does not happen, and these few developers keep causing problems, I will have to reconsider this and I agree I need to do something to stop it, just not sure yet how to do that in a fair and objective way.

  • As noted multiple times in the thread, the review counts on the kpay apps make things kind of obvious. That's probably what you first noticed when you contacted Garmin,

    When you see a crazy high review count for something (In once case I recall it was 24 in an hour) without a word in the actual review, that alone should be another red flag.  It's what people here noticed first.

  • Exactly, that was a red flag and that's why I contacted Garmin about it.

    But when they tell me nothing suspicious can be found I believe them and don't see a reason to punish those developers.

    But it all seems better now, let's see how it goes now and hopefully this annoyance won't pop up again.

    If it does, we can always be reached at [email protected] to let us know and I'll have another chat about it with Garmin.