Can a GARMIN GPS device become a bridge for RFID tasks? Not with UHF, but with Bluetooth

There is a type of stickers, called Wiliot stickers, that need to harvest energy (no battery) to broadcast data packets without battery. To do so, they harvest energy from RF sources, in this case by harvesting the energy from a Bluetooth device called Bridge/Gateway. I would like to know whether is it possible to deploy the Wiliot SDK to transform my Garmin830 into a Bridge and be able to use the sticker to track my bike

Thanks!!

  • Ok, I need to separate energizing from broadcasting, so I would like to use the BLE from the GARMIN to energize and then be able to receive the message. Just a message saying Hey I am here 

  • (Everything is going through this thread. I've made a few edits that you want to be sure not to miss. Be careful not to reply too quickly.)

  • Ok, I need to separate energizing from broadcasting, so I would like to use the BLE from the GARMIN to energize and then be able to receive the message. Just a message saying Hey I am here 

    So, one question is whether the Garmin outputs (transmits) enough BT power to run the device.

    I suspect that this might not be reliable.

    Again, long battery life is an essential feature. So, the Garmin probably transmits BLE when it needs to. Receiving BT data doesn't require transmission power (which what the Williot thing would get power from).

    I suppose your IQ app running on the 830 could turn on BT (I think that's possible) but it seems there isn't any good purpose for what you are trying to do.

    The other question is whether the Garmin can read the data being sent from the Williot device.

    I suspect that Williot is making this non-proprietary (more or less a "trade secret"). If so, you aren't going to get anywhere with it. Unless you can get permission from Williot to rewrite it in Monkey C. Which seems like it would be a long shot.

    The third question is "what for?"

  • Yes, the Williot thing is a beacon (I said this earlier)

    Sorry all this terminology is new for me and this is how they classified in the web:

    Bluetooth Beacon is a small radio transmitter that is typically battery- powered. Bluetooth beacon is the term used to designate stationary devices that are used for purposes such as facilitating indoor navigation. Bluetooth transmitters that can be attached to or embedded in a moveable object like a supply chain component are called Bluetooth tags.

  • So, one question is whether the Garmin outputs (transmits) enough BT power to run the device

    Quoting the guy from support department:

    THis type of bridge was providing 23dBm EIRP and was efficient in up to 3m distance. The measurements were around:

    Up to 1m distance up to 3 seconds to harvest enough energy

  • Yes, that's what the Willot device is. Except it isn't battery-powered. It's powered by RF, which could, coincidentally, be from the receiver).

    With radio devices, power from the device (external power) occurs when the device is transmitting. Receiving a signal does not require power (sure. the device needs power to operate but that's not something external devices can use).

  • The other question is whether the Garmin can read the data being sent from the Williot device

    This is why I was mentioning the SDK. If it is possible to transform the GARMIN in a Gateway. I do not care that I need to go through Wiliot cloud, I am paying the fee

  • Quoting the guy from support department:

    THis type of bridge was providing 23dBm EIRP and was efficient in up to 3m distance. The measurements were around:

    Up to 1m distance up to 3 seconds to harvest enough energy

    Well, this isn't a use that Garmin is engineering for. I'd be seriously shocked if Garmin would tell you these specs for this.

    So, you'll be stuck paying for actual tests of the 830.

    "This type of bridge" is talking about a device that is designed to send power to these devices. The 830 is certainly not that kind of device.

  • This would be easier If I was not a completely fool in this field. My wish:

    Attached a tag to the bike, energize it with Garmin and be able to transform the GARMIN in a gateway

  • Well, this isn't a use that Garmin is engineering for. I'd be seriously shocked if Garmin would tell you these specs for this

    Is there any department in GARMIN where I can address this question apart from this forum? I have no idea