There is a type of stickers, called Wiliot stickers, that need to harvest energy (no battery) to broadcast data packets without battery. To do so, they harvest energy from RF sources, in this case by harvesting the energy from a Bluetooth device called Bridge/Gateway. I would like to know whether is it possible to deploy the Wiliot SDK to transform my Garmin830 into a Bridge and be able to use the sticker to track my bike
Thanks!!
my Garmin830 into a Bridge and be able to use the sticker to track my bike
You mean like "find my bike if it's stolen"?
There are two parts to this: 1: getting power; 2- transmitting via BT to something (like your 830).
1- I suspect that these "Williot" device can get energy from RF where there is a lot of RF. That is, they might work in a home (with WiFi) and not outdoors at all.
2- The BT transmission range is short (the Williot site says 10 m). This range isn't really going to be useful for tracking. You can already use your 830 (left on the bike) to track it with your phone at these distances.
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These seem really interesting for home automation.
First of all, thank you very much for your response
Wiliot sticker as you well said, harvest energy from RF. In this case, it does it with BLE. I would like to use the GARMIN GPS to energyze the sticker and confirm that GARMIN and bike are together, so I can confirm the real number of KM made by the bike.
I have spoken with Wiliot and they told me that theoretically it is possible, but I do not know how easy is to install the SDK and if GARMIN would be open to this idea. In terms of power GARMIN devices are in range, and in terms of time, as the sticker and the GARMIN device will be so close, it wont take too much long to energyze it to broadcast.
What do you think?
Thanks
I would like to know whether is it possible to deploy the Wiliot SDK to transform my Garmin830 into a Bridge and be able to use the sticker to track my bike
To power its IoT Pixels tags, Wiliot has partnered with Energous to integrate WattUp 1W active energy harvesting technology. The Energous Bridge enables large numbers of Wiliot tags to be simultaneously energized and to transfer their data through the Energous transmitters’ out-of-band communications channel for distribution to the Wiliot Cloud.
This bridge device powers Williot devices within 30 feet and also passes the data received from the Williot devices to some other computer (the "cloud"). Clearly, it's meant to be plugged into a wall socket (or have a fairly large battery).
If this is the kind of "bridge" you are talking about, then no, you won't be able to use the 830 as a "bridge".
Garmin sees long battery life as an essential feature of the Edges. The tiny battery being used to power other devices is completely contrary to this feature.
The Williot devices are not RFID devices. They are beacons.
In this case, it does it with BLE.
The website says power from RF. That suggests any RF (not just BTE). I'm suspecting it really wants more power than just BLE can provide (but who knows!). Unless the BLE device is really close.
Again, the power stuff (any RF) is separate from the communication stuff (BLE).
would like to use the GARMIN GPS to energyze the sticker and confirm that GARMIN and bike are together, so I can confirm the real number of KM made by the bike.
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Knowing the KM would require GPS or a wheel sensor. The 830 can deal with both. The Williot device can't deal with either.
Garmin sells wheel sensors that can track distance within the sensor. These can upload the distance data to things like phones (bypassing the need for a head unit like the 830).
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It sounds like you want the Williot device to communicate with the 830. If so, they are going to have to be fairly close together (within 30 feet). If it's even possible, the two things might have to be much, much closer to energize the Williot device.
I think you are missing a few pieces.
The getting-power thing is somewhat of a red-herring anyway. BLE beacons can last for months on a battery.
So, the problem is using a beacon (not just the Williot specifically). One can already use a "standard" BLE beacon with the Garmins (I've actually done some work with this).
The beacons (including the Williot devices) are only going to give you a "not connected" or "connected" (and, maybe, a rough/approximate distance) within a short range (30 feet).
but I do not know how easy is to install the SDK and if GARMIN would be open to this idea.
What SDK? Something from Williot? Install on what? The 830?
You aren't going to install a Williot SDK on/for the 830. (The only SDK Garmin allows is that for IQ.)
You shouldn't need an SDK anyway (the Williot device should be able to act as a generic BT device).
This seems to provide something that already basically exists. It doesn't seem this would expand the audience for this feature or allow Garmin to earn more. So, I doubt it's something Garmin would be interested in.
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But you did get me all excited for these for home automation!! Though, I still have no idea how "open" or "non-proprietary" these are.
Hi again and sorry for the delay (busy with my kids)
What I would like is to use this stickers (very light <1g, very cheap in large scale and you can keep it secret) in a very huge scale. I know the other alternatives such as beacons or devices developed by GARMIN, but they are expensive (in a large scale), not that light and you need to attach them to the bike by using some type of screws.
f this is the kind of "bridge" you are talking about, then no, you won't be able to use the 830 as a "bridge".
No, thats not the idea. I only want to connect one sticker to one GARMIN (but multiplied by all our users, we are talking about thousands)
The website says power from RF. That suggests any RF (not just BTE). I'm suspecting it really wants more power than just BLE can provide (but who knows!). Unless the BLE device is really close.
They have single band and dual band stickers. Single band is energized by BLE and Dual by BLE and UHF
Unless the BLE device is really close.
Thats the idea, we are talking about few cm, not even a feet
Again, the power stuff (any RF) is separate from the communication stuff (BLE).
The data packet once energized is communicated by Bluetooth
It sounds like you want the Williot device to communicate with the 830. If so, they are going to have to be fairly close together (within 30 feet). If it's even possible, the two things might have to be much, much closer to energize the Williot device.
That is exactly what I would love
This seems to provide something that already basically exists. It doesn't seem this would expand the audience for this feature or allow Garmin to earn more. So, I doubt it's something Garmin would be interested in.
The beacons (including the Williot devices) are only going to give you a "not connected" or "connected" (and, maybe, a rough/approximate distance) within a short range (30 feet).
What I am trying to get is right that, a "connected" or "not connected" message so when you upload your workout or route in Garmin Connect, whoever can trust that info is true (the bike attached to the sticker has ridden the route) so you can monitor the number of km of a bike (leasing, rental, second hand, etc)
What SDK? Something from Williot? Install on what? The 830?
Yes, as long as I know, you need it to read the data packet.
This seems to provide something that already basically exists. It doesn't seem this would expand the audience for this feature or allow Garmin to earn more. So, I doubt it's something Garmin would be interested in
This is only a piece of our project. If we get this, GARMIN would love the idea bc what we are developing will help to earn much much more money, as GARMIN will become in the open for our users to profit
No, thats not the idea.
So, not a bridge. Though you mentioned bridges (confusing).
They have single band and dual band stickers. Single band is energized by BLE and Dual by BLE and UHF
You really need to provide a link to this.
The data packet once energized is communicated by Bluetooth
This doesn't make sense.
The data is transmitted by BT. That act is independent from where the power to do that comes from. That is, the power issue is a separate thing.
No, thats not the idea. I only want to connect one sticker to one GARMIN (but multiplied by all our users, we are talking about thousands)
???
(My IQ app has literally thousands of users and Garmin isn't interested in it.)
Thats the idea, we are talking about few cm, not even a feet
If you only want it to work when it's a few cm from a single 830, why do you need the extra device? Just use the 830.
That is exactly what I would love
You aren't say why, though. All you are going to be able to do is tell whether or not the bicycle is within or outside of a 30 ft distance from the sticker (on a bicycle). Seems like a complicated way of replacing just looking at the bike.
It doesn't seem you are hinting at some sort of "my bicycle was stolen. where is it?" tracking thing (like what people talk about using Airtags for) since you talk about "one sticker to one Garmin".
Yes, as long as I know, you need it to read the data packet.
The IQ environment lets you read BT data but you won't be able to include special software to do that. You'd have to write all the code in Monkey C.
This is only a piece of our project. If we get this, GARMIN would love the idea bc what we are developing will help to earn much much more money, as GARMIN will become in the open for our users to profit
Underware gnomes.
You really need to provide a link to this.
I read it in the academy section:
Wiliot IoT Pixels require energy to operate; today they are energized by harvesting power from suitable 2.4GHz/Sub-1GHz RF sources.
One of the most essential things to understand about power acquisition is the energy harvesting range, or the distance from a suitable energizing device that a Pixel must be located to dependably harvest sufficient energy to operate.
This doesn't make sense.
Maybe this is the piece I am missing
You shouldn't need an SDK anyway (the Williot device should be able to act as a generic BT device)
Rather than IoT Pixel data being actively acquired from scanning the tag, Wiliot IoT Pixel data is encrypted at the chip level, then broadcast to a compatible message-receiving device such as a Works with Wiliot Gateway, mobile phone that has the Wiliot App installed, or any other BLE-enabled device using the Wiliot Gateway SDK.
Maybe this is the piece I am missing
The "data transmission thing" is separate from the "where the power comes from" thing. What you want could work with a battery powered device (even if that would be inconvenient).
then broadcast to
Yes, the Williot thing is a beacon (I said this earlier).
It's transmitting whether or not their is a receiver (as long as there is a power source). An RFID tag only works when there is a receiver.
I'm guessing the Williot thing is trapping you in a proprietary system. If so, you aren't likely to get anywhere.
I'm also not seeing the value you are adding. So far, there doesn't seem to be any (compelling) value (which is a second hurdle).
