Instinct 2 Solar - great all-round package, some initial thoughts and hopes (updated regularly)

Wow! The initial YouTube-reviews on the Instinct 2 are up:

- DC Rainmaker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFik67SnAFY

- DesFit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpGNO-KWI3c

- Chase the Summit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaOAPcA8F4E

Here are some initial thoughts:

- ConnectIQ apps, custom watchfaces and higher screen resolution: Finally, a totally customisable display, if perhaps at a slightly higher battery cost. Great!

- VO2max: Finally! Apart from maps, basically the one thing missing on the Instinct 1.

- Solar 'unlimited battery life': Like before, only really possible if every day is sunny, and in that case also possible on last-gen Instinct Solar, even if with more sun. The differences here are being hyped too much.

- Watch case inner ring around display: Strange, intrusive zig-zag optics, no idea what they were thinking, this will attract dust. Also, the shallower angle looks clunkier.

- '4-leaf clover' watch case ring: Optically heavier than the old design. Again, not sure this is better.

- Round, symmetrical watch case: No more less curved lines on the right side. Perhaps an improvement.

- Sizes 45 and 40 mm: Very good decision. 47 and 42 would have been bloated considering the lower overall functionality compared to a Fenix.

- Some fonts a bit smaller and more closely spaced, due to higher resolution: More data, but sometimes less visibility.

- New altimeter / barometer port position: Some previously had a problem here with sweat, this should be better.

- Sleep tracking on the watch: No more Connect necessary to analyse sleep. Nice!

- Elevate HR sensor v4 vs v3: A bit better while running and for measuring spO2, not much change during normal movement with current v3-SensorHub-firmware. Sensor coating is glass now, which should cause less skin irritation for some. Update: There is, however, increasing discussion about the durability of this glass, both against cracking, and against scratches. forums.garmin.com/.../fenix-7-sensor-glass-durability

- Transmittable raw HR data via bluetooth: Is this the case? Update: Yes, see below. Cool feature.

- Garmin Pay: If it works in your country and with your bank, very useful.

- Possible yellow-reddish tint of improved solar cell: Optically, this seems like a step back versus the slightly purplish grey under certain light conditions. 1) https://scr3.golem.de/screenshots/2202/GarminInstinct2/thumb620/In2_01.jpg 2) https://www.zdnet.com/a/img/resize/f3aff5cdb289313517c0a6712ef012b3e84a8dee/2022/02/09/245704fa-7eb3-4d3e-bc56-dae88da24929/garmin-instinct-2-solar-1.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&fit=crop&auto=webp 3) https://www.outdoorlife.com/uploads/2022/02/09/garmin_instinct_2s_solar-1536x981.jpg 4) https://www.zdnet.com/a/img/resize/8531526e44049f0c942958a4545c2680394f9588/2022/02/09/a011d8bb-358e-4ada-b54e-9cdb253310f7/garmin-instinct-2-solar-3.jpg?auto=webp&width=1092 Perhaps this is the reason: https://cpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/sites.suffolk.edu/dist/8/940/files/2015/11/image002.png

- Still a blueish tint when display is lit, and even perhaps slightly when not lit: One could have hoped for an improvement here.

- Intrusive white circular line around display, too prominent 'Solar' lettering. This is Casio territory, but it's sexy there.

- Very long watch strap: In all reviews, the watch strap seems to reach around the wrist right up to the watch. On smaller wrists, this looks strange and could be annoying. Wearing above the jacket sleeve, which might justify this, is a fringe use case.

- New 'Dezl' version for truckers, and as before Surf, Tactical, Camo, many colours, and most with or without Solar. Almost two years after the Instinct Solar Surf came out, Garmin seem to have finally nailed the surf-functionality with GPS-updates and fine-tuning. Tides - not so much. (Small rant: There is a really cheesy Garmin Slovenia truck driver ad here, with weightlifting and coffee-cup-holding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmVYmx2_2f8 The reality is these East Europeans are badly paid modern work-slaves for the global economy.)

- Price: 450 dollar / Euro - that is a lot of money, considering you can get a Fenix 6 Pro with maps for this price. I think Garmin went too high here, considering the baseline Casio-appeal of the Instinct. Just below 400 feels right as a starting price.

- GPS-chip: new Mediatek/Airoha or old Sony? Update: Maybe Sony, see below. Update 2: Confirmed by DCR. This is kind of a shame. While it enables the Surf version to use the at last fine tuned surf-algorithms, it does mean slightly less accuracy compared to the Fenix 7.

- Software quality: Garmin must *really* up their game, even DCR commented on the crashes in his review - I will stick with my Instinct Solar 1 on 16.00 long after all issues have been ironed out.

Updates:

- No more single widgets to simply scroll through! If I understand this correctly, you now have to go through a list of small font, barely readable widget glances, and then click to see the detailed info. This is a huge step backwards, as clicking through the well readable, even if limited info single widgets was part of the core Instinct 1 experience. Formerly, you could use muscle memory, i.e. so-and-so many clicks to see this info, to quickly navigate around.

- Apparently, the screen is slightly convex, i.e. not flat. This actually does not seem like a good decision, as those screens tend to crack a bit easier, and at the same time current screen protectors for the Instinct 1 don't fit. Also, reflections can be more confusing, as it is easier for our brain to filter out non-distorted pictures. https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/instinct-2-series/286335/has-anyone-confirmed-a-properly-fitting-screen-protector-for-the-45mm-instinct-2-2-solar

- Some have mentioned a rather loud vibration motor.

- It seems the Instinct 2 Solar has a worse screen than the Instinct 1 Solar! This make it hard to read at night when looking from any angle other than from straight above. Huge regression! https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/instinct-2-series/286546/instinct-2-solar-tactical-washed-out-display-anyone-else-having-this-problem-w-their-display Update: It seems that, compared to the Instinct 1, either the display as a whole or the LCD-polarisers are upside down on the Instinct 2. Thus, when viewing it at an angle from above, it can be read well, but not from below.

- Tiny amount of memory for IQ apps, widgets and watchfaces - apparently 512 kilobytes, barely enough for about 8 additional applications. https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/instinct-2-series/286642/instinct-2-solar-too-little-memory Not sure how this compares to other Garmin watches, though.

- For some, there seems to be a gap between the display glass and the casing. https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/instinct-2-series/286838/should-the-bezel-be-flush-with-the-screen This gap surely will let dust and sand in, which in turn could damage the display.

It is fascinating that the usual esteemed early reviewers have missed so much...

Altogether, though, an interesting package! What are your thoughts?

  • 5mi out and back run tonight with a f6X SS set to multi-freq and Instinct 2 Solar GPS/Galileo.  7 was very tight (within 1-2ft of out/back path, but Instinct was very good.  Within 4-5ft of the f7 for most of the run.

    Wow, you've sure got the whole setup there. So maybe I'm wrong.

  • Some fonts a bit smaller and more closely spaced, due to higher resolution: More data, but sometimes less visibility

    That worries me too as one of this watches best selling point is view ability.

    The vertical time mode is definitely more compressed than on the Instinct 1 - where the digits use the full height of the LCD.

    In another mode they've squeezed in two rows of information along the bottom which must make the digits smaller but hopefully that's just some screens.

    Has anyone see a screenshot with the sunrise / sunset graphic in the top window?  Hoping that's still available?

  • Interesting device. As I use my Instinct Solar Surf (1) primarily for watersports some remarks on the second interation:
    - Instinct 2 has kitesurf (jump) height detection. Extremely curious to see how that works out with regard to accuracy. I have a hard time believing that either the barometer or accelerometer can provide anything even close to accurate height measurements (like the WOO board mounted devices for example). Nonetheless, it might provide a fun relative measurement.
    - Surfline app is supposed to include wave forecasting etc. This is something that would make the first gen Surf be more worthy of its name, but alas...
    - Improved wave detection might be the same as introduced in the 16.50 firmware for the 1ste gen devices? If not, that would be a huge middle-finger to those wave surfers adopting early to the first Surf model...
    - I wasn't a big fan of the two possible colour options for the first generation surf devices, but the four new models (w/ and w/o solar, 40 and 45 mm) are all truly cringeworthy...

    All in all, there is this slightly bad taste in my mouth that all the first generation surf model owners that paid good money for their watches had to deal with nearly two years of non-functionality (the tides fiasco, the non-functional surf activity) and complete absence of functionality (wave forecasting) only to learn that they were basically paving (and paying) the way for a second generation device without getting any of the improvements to soften their troubles...

    Chances that I upgrade are really very slim. Even if this device would work flawlessly I can't really condone this whole neglect and/or slow response to issues with a first generation device only to use all that feedback to potentially improve (remains to be seen) a second generation device and leaving your early adopters in the cold...

  • All in all, there is this slightly bad taste in my mouth that all the first generation surf model owners that paid good money for their watches had to deal with nearly two years of non-functionality (the tides fiasco, the non-functional surf activity) and complete absence of functionality (wave forecasting) only to learn that they were basically paving (and paying) the way for a second generation device without getting any of the improvements to soften their troubles...

    It will be interesting and is the least Garmin should do, considering that Instinct Solar Surf owners were, and partly still are, basically beta-testers for non-working functionalities, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

  • What bothers me (i was very hyped for the watch and wanting to buy at release) is that somehow the instinct still has random crashes.. what is it that makes the instinct so prone to crashreboots? How is it so unreliable. I was hoping this would have been resolved by now but no.. DCrainmaker mentioned it crashed like 3 times over the span of a weekend.. for fsss sake Garmin, how? 

  • what is it that makes the instinct so prone to crashreboots?

    Considering that the Instinct 2 has the IQ-apps, they will have ported this functionality into the old Instinct 1 software, or taken the Fenix software and stripped it of features. In both cases, I would imagine there are many creases to be ironed out. Considering that Garmin needs months and sometimes years to get issues worked out, I'd probably watch the development within the return period of the watch.

  • The thing is that this isnt solar 2 only behaviour. I had to send back 2 instinct solar 1 watches due to the same reason. On top when u watch the instinct threads u always see reports about crashes. 

    Is the memory limit the issue? An underpowered cpu? 

    I've used the return window of online stores too but Garmin is so slow with updates that 1 month return window is usally not enough and after that u just end up swapping faultu watches one after the other without refund

    So yeah it sucks that i'll have to wait at least till the furst update release to see if anything even got fixed.. This watch featurewise is almost a bargain for what it's capable of

  • That's what has stopped me ever updating the firmware.  The version it shipped with doesn't crash and I've never seen anything useful in the updates I actually wanted.

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