Any of you fine Fenix users considering move to Apple watch?

Asking for a friend...

Really love the Fenix button layout and functionalities. Information is quickly assessed and essential.

Apple watch has a lot of clutter and shiny things, but seems to be improving, especially when concerned about general health monitoring.

The Apple watch battery drain can kind of be helped with adjusting certain settings.

Thoughts?

  • Do you miss any of the physiological info from the F6 that you don't get by not wearing it all-day?  Also, do you plan to upgrade to the F7?

  • I still maintain the biggest problem with the fenix line is it’s weight which causes half of the issues that users report as there is not much else difference for reading the sensor info of the forerunner series. I have a fenix6s and don’t get half the issues reported by most on this forum, the only problem I regularly see if the metal back cooling the skin and causing cadence lock.

    All manufacturers has defect that need to be corrected, Apple certainly has there fair share and are more secretive than Garmin about what they are and how they are fixed, however Garmin need to up their game as you can’t fix a bug in one release and then two releases time introduce it again, even if the cause is different.

    Garmin would be better to have a core OS on all watches just with separate package for HW specific functionality and anything commercially separate 

  • This is a great conversation.  Thanks everybody for the input.  One area that Garmin shines over Apple (based on my readings) is with sleep/body battery.  This may not be a big deal to many fitness folks (though it should) but the AW doesn't handle sleep very well.  I suspect it is because the battery life isn't there.

  • Garmin (assume high-end devices, ie Fenix 6 Pro/Sapphire) shines over Apple (high end device, ie AW6/7) in several areas actually. Sleep and Body Battery are two of these. Metrics for sports are for sport "pro" users. Battery as well (just try to go for a long walk/hiking using the AW for a few hours in a raw and you'll end up in using your smartphone or someone else's Garmin :-)) Robustness ! I broke my AWs (and similarly one Galaxy Watch)'s display only because the metal button on my jacket accidentally hit it when I was running, so not reliable at all. Fenix especially with Sapphire are hard to die. Just look for some photos of AW1 or AW3 owners...and ones with still Fenix3...the latter look "new". AW is IP68 while normally a Garmin is xxATM (50, 100mt underwater, really). Of course there are Cons with Garmin/Fenix...it's a sport..watch and not a smart..watch. I'm conscious of the differences and there is no a winner, just people need to test and go with the one that better fit the needs.

  • Regarding sleep, download auto sleep, and you have as good or better sleep tracking than Garmin.

    The native Apple Workout program can easily handle 6 hours with music, I'd estimate more like 8 or 9, actually.

    With WorkOutDoors I have the same metrics as the base Garmin app although it does use a bit more battery.  The only thing missing is some of the run metrics but those require a pod or an HRM.  I guess Garmin does do a better job of tracking how many miles you put on your shoes.

    You can also get readiness and training load on the Apple side with apps too.  They might not call them that but they are the same thing.

    I've also never damaged an Apple Watch.

  • I'm similar to you.  I'm genuinely curious about the F7.  I'd like to drop some weight and I seem to do that better with a Garmin than an AW for some reason.  But the little nagging problems with the Garmin stuff just makes me not want to use it.

  • That's unfortunately an incorrect statement. AW for example has the app Sleepcycle which measures sleep very accurately

  • Thanks E.  I don't own an Apple Watch so I'm sifting through lots of other peoples reviews and they generally (not all) say that the AW isn't good for sleep tracking.  I will take a look at Sleepcycle.

  • That's exactly why it's important to have tried it for a few months as your primary watch in order to discover the full extent lf the watch. Sleepcycle for example is a good one but there are more.

  • Bit late to the party but I'd like to share a few additional perspectives having owned pretty much every generation AW since launch as well as the F3, F5, F5+, F6 Sapphire, 6X, Enduro and also a few Forerunners. I'm also rocking an Oura ring 3 now to compare. I will buy the F7 as soon as it's launched. 

    Let me give you three examples recently where I was wearing an AW7 and I thought to myself "god damn it, I need to get my Fenix back". I was running up Mount Kosciuszko in Australia in the (torrential) rain last November and my jacket got a bit soaked, causing the touchscreen to go buggy and cancel my run halfway through. Frustrating. Perhaps preventable if I water locked the screen from the start. 

    Last week I put sunscreen on before heading out for a run here (summertime) and the sunscreen smeared onto the AW face. In direct sunlight that rendered it pretty much unuseable, I had to keep wiping it off during my run. 

    Over the Christmas break I kept taking my toddler to the beach - i'd have to lock the AW's screen to get into the water with him and the digital crown would seize up due to the sand stuck in there. I'd have to wash it out and turn it to get the sand out afterward. 

    These are examples not of missing features - but of practicalities of use - that may drive frustration. 

    I also find that when I'm training for longer stuff (70.3, marathon, ultra) I really like knowing the training effect of a run and seeing my weekly training load. One could use training peaks or strava for this, but it is genuinely convenient having it on your watch. 

    OP asked about AW's capability to do "general health monitoring". Of course, this means different things for different people.... but sleep and 'readiness' are obviously two components of this.  Sleep on the native AW app is 'fine' - no information about stages - just blocks of "asleep" or "awake". Compare this with my Oura that measures HRV and RHR overnight and gives me some indication of how these - plus total sleep time and other variables - impact my readiness to go hard or easy the following day. You can also find a lot of posts online about how Garmin or Whoop accounted for someone (e.g. Chase the Summit on Youtube) who had COVID and how their baseline health metrics took a dive and recovered. 

    What I do love about the AW (I have the stainless model) is that it looks better with a suit which I wear to work every day. The F6 is still a bit bulky to wear with a suit (though I do sometimes). The AW shows me my text messages in a thread so I can see what my wife said over the course of a few linked messages. Any garmin shows you one and and you kind of have to hit "back" and piece it together in your head. The other infurating thing about being an iPhone user with a Garmin is the inability to turn off notifications from certain apps and not others. Whatsapp drives me nuts on my Garmin, I end up silencing group conversations. Whereas AW I turn off whatsapp for wrist notifications entirely. 

    I also find that overnight when I re-settle my 2 year old son and have to lie on his floor, I'll take my airpods in with me and I can fire up a podcast straight from the watch and pick up where I'd left off the afternoon prior. Not essential but a nifty feature. 

    I still hate charging every night - and this combined with the training annoyances above - are the main reasons why my AW is in my drawer more often than not. Considering selling it to cushion the blow of buying the F7! 

    Hope this helps.