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updating sleep related metrics (body battery, sleep score, etc.) after editing sleep time

Vahid
over 3 years ago

So I usually go to bed and use my phone or read before I sleep, which could take 30-60 min or more. Also, I usually use my phone for 10-15 minutes after I wake up, before getting out of bed. From seeing my friends and family, I think this is a pattern for many people.

Obviously Garmin registers this phone/reading times as sleep, and to be honest I can't think of a way for it not to. You're laying in bed, you're heart rate is down, no movement, slow breathing, etc. So I'm not gonna complain about the sleep recognition algorithm.

But the problem is after I wake up and see my sleep time is 1-1.5 hrs off and I edit it through the app, it won't update the body battery and the other metrics that are calculated based on sleep. It seems like those metrics are calculated as soon as the watch registers "wake up" and they won't change after that even if you edit the sleep time. This is a pain, because with that, then all the future 'body battery' scores will be affected since (with the higher sleep time registered) you will go up to 100 instead of maybe 80, then at the end of the day you're 40 instead of maybe 20, next morning you're 90 instead of 70, and so on.  With this, even with 1 or 2 nights of bad sleep data in a week, a lot of your data (even on the other days) will be unreliable.

So is there any way to solve this and update those metrics after editing sleep time? and if not, can it be requested as an update?

  • 0 over 3 years ago

    Body battery is based on the stress measurement, not on the sleep metric.

    Now obviously stress is normally low while you are asleep and so BB recovers, but stress levels can sometimes be high while sleeping (eg. alcohol, your body fighting an illness), in which case BB won't recover much).

    And they can be low while you are awake but relaxed.

    Taking a look at the BB graph overlaid with stress helps make more sense of what is going on.

  • 0 over 3 years ago in reply to mcalista

    Sorry but your statement about sleep not being counted is demonstratably incorrect.

    Pick any body battery graph at random and you will observe that battery starts dropping immediately after the little clock icon at wake time. (well that happens in my case and I assume I'm not unique here)

    I think the originator of this thread has a valid point.

  • 0 over 3 years ago in reply to mcalista

    So correct me if I'm wrong  , but I think you are saying that the body battery charges during sleep not because the watch has registered 'sleep', but because you're relaxed and steady while you're sleeping? That might not be completely true, if you go to " Connect app > Body Battery > Help > How We Calculate It ", it says there that Sleep Quality is among the things they analyze to calculate Body Battery.

  • 0 over 3 years ago in reply to Vahid

    My observations are that stress during sleep not the type of sleep impacts the sleep quality.

    Try a small experiment, drink some wine before going to sleep and , see the phases. I'm my case the phases are more or less the same but the stress is completely different.

    Ps sex does the opposite of the wine

    PPS don't try the sex experiment with the Fenix on the wrist, put it after

  • 0 over 3 years ago

    Hi Vahid, did you every get a resolution to this? I have the same issue with the sleep metrics, particularly the time for each sleep category (Rem, light, deep) not updating to reflect the actual sleep time. Ie. Device recorded 9hr 45 min sleep time, adjusted down to 7hr 44 min actual. All the categories still calculate to the 9hr 45 min and get a sleep score of 1. This throws all the averages out completely. Happy with how the body battery calculates. Just not the sleep metrics. 

  • 0 over 1 year ago

    It's strange that my morning report and training readiness will show a number (42/100, for example) based off of many things such as sleep (which it tells you in the training readiness breakdown), but changing my sleep and thus my sleep score (which just went up from 41 to 48 after changing it from the incorrect 10 hours to 6 hours) does NOT change my training readiness. These numbers are just a small example from yesterday, but much bigger examples and differences - or lack thereof - have been noted

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Richard

    Hi Richard, no I basically gave up on having my stats sync up. I don't check them anymore!

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to 7136252
    7136252 said:
    but changing my sleep and thus my sleep score (which just went up from 41 to 48 after changing it from the incorrect 10 hours to 6 hours) does NOT change my training readiness

    I have seen the same: no change in training readiness after updating sleep time. Sleep score is updated, but the metrics depending on sleep are not. That is unfortunate.

    That said, it looks like Training Readiness is weighted more heavily by the training status metrics than by the sleep and stress metrics, so it is still usable if you have partial data.

    For example, to avoid the whole story of having sleep detection start when I watch stuff or game in the evening, I remove my watch until I go to bed.

    Sometimes, I don't wear the watch at all during the day, except for activities.

    I get no stress history data, and training readiness maxes out in the blue zone when all components are top/excellent.