Oxymeter wayyyy off!

Hello. My oxymeter readings always seemed to low - between 89 and 91. I started to use medical-grade oxymeter and I actually have SPO2 between 97 and 99. I see this as problem because in SPO2 the most important range is 85-100, so if the reading is off by 8%, it is actually 50% error. That is not acceptable.

Jan

  • The only way to know how well it works would be to get data from Garmin. They could publish aggregate SpO2 measurements that people get. Because ... most of the people most of the time (during the day) should be in the range of 95-100%, anything below that suggests a problem. And because most people are healthy and live in places with enough oxygen, if readings are below (or even close to) 95%, then the sensor is not accurate. From spread of readings from single users (again done for thousands of people) one could see how precise the measurements are.

    It is clear that we can't judge anecdotes ... for some people the measurements are garbage, for some it apparently works and some people are OK with measurements that is off by few percent points and is imprecise as they only want to follow "trends".

  • In my limited experience (my wife tried it for 4 weeks), the AW6 never failed to get a pulsoximeter reading, not even once. It worked 100% of the times for both of us.

    My Fenix is nowhere as reliable.

  • The problem is that you don't know if other equipment gets you GOOD value, for example they can return previous value if they have problem. Everything depend of developer who can write any code and we all believe in this data Slight smile

    Today I made 2 tests, one on Samsung s10 using Samsung health app it reads data from finger (reflect way like Garmin do the same from wirst) and Garmin.

    1. The process is long I think it's not simple reading one value it's connected with observation volatility of pulse and another parameters (and must be silent, no movement etc).

    2. Samsung showed 89%, Garmin 92%.

    So, which value is good? Should I have believe Samsung or Garmin?

    The less problem is with HR, you can check it more or less because your body give you a signal of high/low HR.

    But Sp02 is difficult to check if it's between 90-100 and it depends of altitude.

    https://www.webmd.com/asthma/guide/hypoxia-hypoxemia

    But off course I'd like to have a device that give me correct values and believe that all manufacturers test their equipment none of them would not dare to install something without tests.

    The big problem is if someone needs accurate data (e.g. sick) but I think they have to use medical equipment. I don't think the watch is a good device for them - the right  device for the right application.
    So, since we are talking about Garmin, you need to define - who this device is for and what the requirements for this device should be. We do not require a passenger car to carry 10 tons. 

  • Samsung is not reference for me. I'm doing my comparison between Huawei, Apple Watch 6 and medical oxymeter. Huawei is the best i think and Apple Watch comes after it. On spot check, Huawei doesn't take just 1 measurement, it performs continously for about 1 min.

    If it is possible for you, grab a cheap Huawei Band 4 and test it with your watch and a medical device. You'll see what i mean.

    Just have a look on youtube about the Spo2 accuracy of Huawei Band 4. Here are some;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Eqg1x7Bdo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jnbkmGHdLI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3fTMTcrMFA

    As you'll see, max. tolerance value is %2. (Honor Band 5 and Huawei Band 4 is almost the same device)

  • So, since we are talking about Garmin, you need to define - who this device is for and what the requirements for this device should be.

    It's pretty simple, really:

    The people who are happy enough with Garmin's PulseOX are using it for what it's meant for - tracking long-term trending data of altitude acclimation.

    The people who are unhappy with it are trying to take spot measurements to diagnose a medical condition for some reason, despite Garmin clearly saying it isn't meant for that (and then coming here to complain about it)

  • 1. Ones like Samsung another Huawei Slight smile

    2. I wrote that Samsung and Garmin showed almost the same I don't have now Huawei but tomorrow I'll check it on Huawei and others - but which tells the truth Slight smile?

    And I'd like Garmin, Samsung, Apple, Huawei and all others have the best solution for us all even to include in consumer products medical features but, simple, it's rather impossible. Each product is directed to specified market and only solution is not believe into marketing materials but check it thoroughly before purchase.  

    www.garmin.com/.../

  • As a side note, Garmin does not use sPO2 in determining altitude acclimation, it goes strictly by the amount of time spent at a given altitude.

    https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=PQCtbgWxJ65nRatXoHCmy7 

    And see last response from Firstbeat here: 

    https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-945/168119/what-s-the-point-of-all-day-mode-for-pulse-ox 

  • Ya, it's independent from the Firstbeat altitude acclimation widget. In my opinion it's sort of meant to supplement it. Altitude acclimation is definitely what Garmin has in mind forthe pulseOX function, as evidenced by their overlapping altitude history onto the pulseox trend chart.

    Personally I don't use pulseOX very much - I use it only for that altitude acclimation purpose, and I rarely go up into the mountains for more than 24 hours or so at a time, which isn't enough for any real acclimation to be happening.

  • Comparing against a smartphone, other watches or pulse oximeters from Amazon or Ebay is not a wise idea as they are not medical grade devices and have their own limitations…and even if they do meet the criteria, they need to be calibrated yearly to keep that certification.

    I happen to have 2x real medical grade devices with me right now, both calibrated. As you can see, my Tactix Delta reads exactly the same as a CorPuls3 and a Lifepak 15. To claim that ”the Fenix 6 line have useless pulse oximeter readings” is clearly hyperbole.

  • I bought my pulse oximeter from pharmacy, not on ebay or amazon.

    So you're telling me that my pulse oximeter is wrong and Fenix is more accurate ? A pulse oximeter is not a complex device and doesn't need any calibration. It's not a magnetic resonance or cat scanner or x ray machine or an electromyograph. If so, then any wearable device would be garbage after 1 year of usage as their sensors need to be calibrated such as HR and SPO2.