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Correct sunrise and sunset times?

Skyliner
over 4 years ago

Is there a way to configure the times for sunrise and sunset on the Fenix 6 Pro?
The times for sunrise and sunset on my Fenix 6 Pro at my location differ by 4 minutes from the actual time.

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  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to Dr Phil

    As every Garmin Aviation software or hardware give the correct times, I think the "Outdoor Recreation" could ask them how to do it!

    And Sunset/Sunrise times do not have to be taken from a 3rd party!!!! as they are only a function of lat Long coordinates which IMHO are provided by our nice watch.

    Anyway it is not a big deal as there is a work around (2 days offset - press twice on the up menu) .

    Now why after more than 1 year they do not fix it, is anyone guess.

    (BTW the Instinct has the same bug)

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to susu42
    susu42 said:

    Now why after more than 1 year they do not fix it, is anyone guess.

    My guess is because

    Dr Phil said:
    "Wow! Sunrise/sunset time off by a whole minute!" 
  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to Dr Phil
    Dr Phil said:
    Sorry but this is like "Wow! Sunrise/sunset time off by a whole minute!" 

    I never claimed that I was bothered by it being a little off.  You keep acting as if I did with your condescending remarks, but I don't understand why you feel the need to keep bringing that up over and over. 

    If the two-day advance method actually corrected the time information then I would expect the Garmin s/w team to fix it, since people have reported it to them.  But as some people have mentioned, that doesn't seem to be an actual fix, so at this point its likely just a matter of variation between different databases and/or calculations.

    For the last time hopefully, I'm not concerned at all if its off by a little bit.  But I am just a bit curious as to why it doesn't match up with other sources that seem to be in agreement.  If that still bothers you I don't really care.

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    I tried to learn more about sunrise/sunset times a couple of years ago when I bought a G-Shock that had that feature.
    I gave up after a while, it seemed to exist so many different types of definitions:
    Sunrise, Civil dawn, Nautical dawn, Astronomical dawn and so on. I think these get mixed up sometimes.

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to BigSwede

    You are correct regarding the various definitions of dawns.

    However there is only one definition of sunrise and sunset times.

    And once again if you advance today's date by 2 days (ie 15 to 17 October), fenix 6 will show the correct times for today October 15.

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to susu42

    Checked my Fenix 6X against suncalc.org and it's off as you say.
    Seems like something that should be easy fixed...

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    Just my two cents on this issue as a software testing professional NOT working for Garmin.

    My guess is that Garmin is pulling the data from a third party source, and their data may be off for some reason. So then the fix would not be that easy to be done by Garmin, if they didn't change the source of the data. And if they did that, that would need enormous amount more testing, testing and testing to verify that all the features work as expected afterwards. --> May or may not be worth the cost for such a minor glitch in their perspective.

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to JanneSeppala

    Thank you all for participating in this post.
    So the Fenix 6 Pro has difficulties with the times for sunrise and sunset.
    I switched from the Instinct Solar (which has the same problems with it) to the Fenix 6 Pro.
    I still like the Fenix 6 Pro very much.
    I can live with the inaccuracies in the times for sunrise and sunset, there are only a few minutes difference to the real times.
    If that could be corrected in an upcoming update, that would of course be nice.
    But it is no problem which one takes away the satisfaction with the Fenix 6 pro.

  • 0 over 4 years ago
    Skyliner said:
    Thank you all for participating in this post.
    So the Fenix 6 Pro has difficulties with the times for sunrise and sunset.
    I switched from the Instinct Solar (which has the same problems with it) to the Fenix 6 Pro.
    I still like the Fenix 6 Pro very much.
    I can live with the inaccuracies in the times for sunrise and sunset, there are only a few minutes difference to the real times.
    If that could be corrected in an upcoming update, that would of course be nice.
    But it is no problem which one takes away the satisfaction with the Fenix 6 pro.

    You still have not answered my question about what you are using as a source for your "actual" sunrise/sunset times, but have reached the conclusion, "...the Fenix 6 Pro has difficulties with times for sunrise and sunset."

    I challenge that conclusion based on my experience.  Your experience may very well be different, but I strongly suggest your experience is not representative of ALL users.

    Let me show you my experience.

    On my fenix 6xPro(GG) I have access to 3 different Sunrise/Sunset times - the first is my third party watch face (JBlack) which shows SR/SS at the top of the screen.  Here is the JBlack watch face info for today:

    This watch face shows Sunrise at 0743 and Sunset at 1858.

    My second source of SR/SS times on the watch is Garmin's own SR/SS widget.  Here is what Garmin's widget shows for today:

    Garmin's widget shows Sunrise at 0742 and Sunset at 1858.

    My third source of SR/SS times on the watch is a third party widget (Selenia & Helios II found here: Selinia & Helios II Widget).  Here is what this widget shows for today:

    This third party widget shows Sunrise at 0744 and Sunset at 1858.

    So, now I'm presented with three different sets of data:

    SR / SS

    0743 / 1858

    0742 / 1858

    0744 / 1858

    Data look pretty good for Sunset - all indicate 1858 - but is the sun going to rise at 0742, 0743, 0744 or maybe some other time?  Is this a real issue?  Honestly, by observing sunrise, I can not distinguish the exact minute.  To me - and again, your judgement may very well be different - it makes no difference.  All three options presented to me are perfectly acceptable.

    However, in pursuit of some "actual" time, if for no other reason than to check on whether the widgets and watch face I am looking at are giving me reliable information, I can consult some recognized reference for this info.

    The reference I use is NOAA's new Global Monitoring Laboratory Solar Calculator (find it here: New NOAA Solar Calculator).  This tool allows one to enter one's exact position anywhere in the world and determine SR/SS times.

    Here is what this NOAA reference shows for today at my exact location (exact Lat/Lon info is blanked out to preserve privacy):

    This reference shows Sunrise at 0743 and Sunset at 1857.

    To me, this validates that ALL info available to me on my watch is within one minute of the reference times.  I'd chalk this up to, at worst, a rounding error - or perhaps more accurately a difference in rounding algorithms.

    So, my conclusion is that both Garmin and the third party widgets I use present excellent data concerning SR/SS times.

    If you are seeing something different, then post up your observed - i.e. on the watch - times, the widgets/watch faces you are using, and what you are using as a reference to determine the accuracy of your observed times.

    As far as I'm concerned, Garmin does not need to "adjust" anything.

    HTH

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to gaijin

    I have the times on all weather websites and also on a website where you can query the times after entering the exact location coordinates.
    The same times for sunrise and sunset came out everywhere.
    Only the Fenix 6 Pro is 4 minutes behind these times.