Why no separate activities for hiking vs backpacking?

I love my Fenix 6X Sapphire. My only complaint is that it doesn’t recognize the distinction between hiking with a light daypack vs backpacking with a heavy (>30 lbs) backpack for purposes of counting calories. Seems like there should be an option to input estimated pack weight and have that influence the estimated number of calories burned.

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  • does anyone know which method the fenix 6x uses?

    Heart rate goes brrrrr method Sweat smile

    No way to know for sure without input from Garmin / Firstbeat. Actually only Garmin, since Firstbeat is owned by Garmin now...

  • This is dcrainmaker's 2010 matrix; I'm just curious what this looks like now, including fenix series devices.

  • www.google.de/.../ 

    The article is 1 year old ...

    Actually only Garmin, since Firstbeat is owned by Garmin now...
  • Strongly disagree. Heart rate isn't just a function of calories burned. It's also a function of cardiovascular fitness, altitude, speed, total weight, etc. There are plenty of other factors that could caused elevated heart rate without causing an increase in work and calories burned.

    So the original OPs point is valid: there should be a setting to adjust the weight of pack when hiking as that could significantly change the calories burned calculation.

  • I will second that. I had Covid over Christmas and if I walked up stairs my heart went bonkers trying to get enough air in to breath, very uncomfortable, but calories burnt probably 0.5. 

    An unusual example, but proves the point.

  • Heart rate isn't just a function of calories burned. It's also a function of cardiovascular fitness, altitude, speed, total weight, etc.
    So the original OPs point is valid:

    You forgot terrain, weather, medication, illness, etc.  I never said heart rate was just a function of calories burned.  What I said is regardless of fitness, altitude, speed, etc. the addition of weight is going to make you work harder, increasing your HR and burn more calories.  Some of the factors you listed reinforces what I said, so it's funny that you strongly disagree.  Let's say you were to carry 40 lbs and and travel 2 miles.  The calories burned would be different if it were downhill vs uphill vs flat terrain vs high altitude vs trekking threw mud or snow, etc.  Therefore entering 40 lbs or any figure in the calculation as useless and irrelevant.  You'd most likely burn less calories carrying 40 lbs for 2 miles on a flat even surface then you would carrying 30 lbs for two miles uphill, again inputting a set weight for a calorie calculation useless because it's not necessarily the amount of weight carried, but how hard your heart is working carrying the weight depending on other factors.  The only thing you can be sure of is carrying additional weight regardless of the situation, will make your heart work harder, increase HR and burn more calories.

  • I had Covid over Christmas and if I walked up stairs my heart went bonkers trying to get enough air in to breath, very uncomfortable, but calories burnt probably 0.5. 

    An unusual example, but proves the point.

    What point has been proven?  I don't think anyone here is disputing that many factors influence HR.  What I'm saying is inputting a set weight to calculate calories burned won't work.  Test it yourself.  Carry two 20 lb dumbbells on a flat surface for a half mile and look at your total calories burned.  Rest and do it again walking uphill, or through mud, snow, whatever.  You're are going to burn more calories doing the latter because your heart is working harder (raised HR) even though it's the same weight.  The calories burned won't be equal just because the weight is the same.  This alone will prove to you adding weight to calculate calories burned won't work properly.  "X" amount of lbs doesn't equal "X" amount of calories burned.  The calories burned is due to the work load your body is going through. 

  • I didn't forget anything. Etc covers all the other cases.

    Your argument doesn't bear and you saying additional weight doesn't matter to calculate calories burned shows you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how calories burned is calculated. It's literally a direct function of work you perform on an amount of weight, as explained in this article: https://www.verywellfit.com/how-many-calories-you-burn-during-exercise-4111064

    So although it's not completely accurate, there is a valid use case to input weight to get a more accurate estimate of calories burned. Your example doesn't at all nullify that use case. 

  • You're right.  What could I have possibly been thinking?  Hopefully Garmin will add this calculation.  They could add 25 additional calories burned per hour for every 10 lbs of inputted weight.  40 lbs would be 100 additional calories per hour.  It doesn't matter if I backpack for an hour on flat surface, or on a 4% incline, or a 1% incline in 10 inches of snow into a heavy headwind.  It'll be 100 additional calories added to my workout because it's all the same.  Rolling eyes

    It's literally a direct function of work you perform on an amount of weight

    Exactly.  The key phrase is "direct function of work performed".  You will burn more calories going uphill as opposed to downhill because of the "direct function of work performed" using the same amount of weight.

    shows you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how calories burned is calculated.

    No, I don't think you understand.  There isn't an infinite amount of calories one can burn per minute.  It's based on my output and MaxHR and most experts say that's between 8-15 calories per minute.  I've pushed myself to my limit and according to my chest strap that was 12-13 calories per minute.   I can reach that limit with or without the addition of carried weight.  I'm not going to reach 25-30 calories per min doing the same workout just because I added "X" amount of weight.  I'm just going to reach my max quicker.  If I were able to walk a mile and maintain a steady HR of 130bpm, I would burn the same amount of calories as if I maintained that same HR while carrying 20 lbs.  The only difference would be my pace (work load) was slower with the added weight..  If I were to maintain the same pace (work load) carrying that 20 lbs, my heart rate would increase to meet that demand and I would burn more calories, because it's not the weight carried, but the work load I put forth and that has a limit.  Based on your theory, I can exceed any limit by simply adding more weight.  You and I could be identical twins.  The exact same metrics; height, weight, etc., but you're in better shape than I.  If we both did a hike together and carried 40 lbs would our calories burned be the same?  No, because you're more fit than I and I had to work harder to keep up with you so my HR was more elevated than yours and I burned more calories.  Don't misunderstand me.  I'm fully aware adding weight will increase your calorie burn.  I'm just saying there are too many factors involved to adding weight to an activity to get a correct estimation that's better than using HR. 

  • Perhaps you should do a simple test: hike an hour with your additional 20 lbs with your normal settings and 1 hr without your additional 2 lbs and check the measurements.Wink