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Garmin Coach - Plan for 10k - disappointment and confusion

We'll I'm in 12 of 13 weeks of the plan. The plan was to complete 10k in 44 minutes.

I think I can comment on my experience with the virtual coach and especially the confusion around the plan execution.

I was doing my exercises complete and in full time, Maybe I have postponed 2 or 3 days, but it was completed in other day, so no worries.

From the very beginning until week 11, Confidence parameter was all the time around the border of Confident/ Extremely Confident, but amazingly 2 weeks before start it started to drop. How come, I'm doing plan realization all the time and I'm keeping what is requested in the training. Now 2 weeks before start my trainer is loosing faith in me? WT ***?

Training description: This is example of the Training from the plan . It is called Easy Run

Warm up - 05:00 min:sec
Run - 30:00 min:sec - 5:01 to 5:39 min/km
Easy tempo.
Run - 20:00 min:sec - 5:01 to 5:39 min/km
Additional Run
Cool down - 05:00 min:sec
Now, you can do this training on several ways and Garmin watch can detect it as a different benefit, but it is never explained in the plan what is expected benefit to be accomplished, so you do not know how to run it. You can run it in Threshold, Tempo, VOMax or Base, because requested training tempo is between 5.01-5.39, so it can be anything and your trainer is not telling you what is expected from the training.
  
I have completed the plan without any exceptions, according to assumptions so far, but I don't feel like being close to accomplish in 44 minutes, which is av 4.24min/km.
The race is in 4th-July and I barely manage to sustain static tempo of 4.30 for 20-25 minutes (this was the longest interval on the training with requested tempo in 4.24), but my confidence parameter is still high:
I'm afraid 1 day before the race my trainer will tell me , "I'm not confident anymore" and I will ask, "were were you for the whole time of my training plan? I have done everything what you said and now you are telling me just before the start it was not enough?" Why didn't you learned from my results, that the plan should be modified earlier, to achieve goal?"
So what kind of training plan is this?
  • Are you really sure that you can run this pace  or was the time goal to optimistic ?

    I dis a greg Plan last Year for am HM. It was pretty hard but in the end I reached my goal

  • That's the point. What is the sense of showing me for 11 weeks they are confident i Will acheve the goal, if I can se myself this is hardly possible to run with this pace. They should have know this, from my training results. 

  • A big problem is the mostly bad pace GPS delivers to the algorithms. But I understand and agree with you that the statistics of your runs should give a better estimation for your possible performance

  • You are still in green position so don’t worry and enjoy your race. You’ll achieve your goal, I’m pretty sure. I experienced the same with an HM training plan. Let us know. 

  • @afelini thanks for your support. Maybe it is just de-motivation resulted from overload. Not sure, but I'm going to try the race anyway. everything what could be done, has been done. I'll take more sleep, more water per day and will try to relax.

  • I had the exact same experience with the 10K plan. Followed the plan without exceptions, stayed at the top of meter for all weeks, but I was nowhere near able to run at the desired pace. I loved the plan though, as it brought a lot of variation to my training, compared to just running the same route in the same pace three times a week. But as an instrument for training towards a specific goal, I was not a success for me either.

  • I have no experience with Garmin’s training plans, but you don’t seem that far off.

    You can do the distance, and you can stick with the pace for a good little while - you’re doing all of that in an exhausted-from-training state.

    I have a feeling that, with a good taper & pre-rwce prep, fresh at the starting line, the adrenaline & excitement of the race, and giving it all you’ve got, you might not be too far removed from your goal!

  • Are you in the northern hemisphere? I wonder that because as it warms up, performance will drop in the heat/humidity.

  • I have been following Greg's Programme for 16 weeks training for the half marathon. From about week 5 I was sitting at the highest end of the confidence meter. Now, literally 3 days out from the event, my rating has suddenly dropped back to just below the purple, into the green. I have always thought the goal was slightly ambitious, but potentially achievable. I just wonder why it has suddenly dropped now, when my training has not changed? Has anyone else experienced this?

  • This is a huge part of it, GPS pace fluctuations.  When I was doing the Garmin coach training plans and relying on instant pace to keep in the correct pace bracket for my runs the vibration alert would be going off for too fast one minute, too slow the next despite maintaining the same target pace.

    During many runs in areas of poor GPS, my Garmin would basically turn into a random number generator when I looked at pace, where as my old Ambit 3 Peak was solid as a rock and reliable on the other wrist.  It is very demotivating when you are running to please a watch that cannot give an accurate pace. The results afterwards had huge pace dropouts and fluctuations that would always result in a much poorer average pace than on my Ambit.

    Sadly Garmin don't seem to have accurate enough metrics to really make use of these training plans properly. Unless you have a footpod than is more reliable and you don't run trails.  I'm surprised more people don't realise this and complain.