Training load - Optimal Range never changes

Former Member
Former Member

Hi, all!

This is probably a question to  (Firstbeat), but any insights are welcome.

The issue might not be very important in the grand scheme of things (read - F6 shortcomings and bugs), but still.

I started wearing F6 Pro in December last year (close to 24/7 since then), and it's my first Garmin wearable, so there was no previous data to transfer or synchronize. After a few trainings/workouts/runs the watch started showing all the stats, inter alia, the Optimal Range under the Load --> 7-day load. The initial Optimal Range for me was set at 722-1540 based on who knows what, and after almost half a year it is still exactly the same. It is, of course, nothing strange in itself. The thing is, though, that initially my weekly training load (TL) was more or less within that Optimal Range, sometimes going slightly above or below, and there was really no reason for the Optimal Range to jump around.

Approximately 2 months ago I started exercising more than before. I increased the duration of some runs/workouts, intensity/variety of some others, started doing new exercises, started doing more interval trainings etc. As a result my TL has increased. Typically my daily TL now is +/- 300, which means the 7-day load hovers around 2100-2200. That is 600-700 points higher than the upper limit of the Optimal Range, has been like that for quite a while, but the Optimal Range would not budge at all.

    

My load is above targets, but balanced.

My Training status is Productive, and has been like that since mid-March.

    

The watch keeps telling me that "based on your current fitness level and recent habits, your Training Load may be too high ....". I would have expected that 2 months is sufficient time for the watch/Firstbeat algorithms to recognize that the said "recent habits" have perhaps changed and adjust the Optimal Range?

Additional info in no particular order:

- For workouts (except initially back in December) I now always wear a cheststrap, OH1 or Moov so there is no inaccurate WHR data in play.

- My age/weight and activity class (currently 9) have been entered correctly.

- I use LTHR zones as automatically set up/adjusted by the watch without tinkering with anything.

- LT and VO2 max is detected during runs and updated.

- My VO2 max (for what it's worth) has gone up 2 points (meaning the Productive label is correct after all?) since mid-March and is in the Excellent range.

- After ~150 TL workouts (which sometimes takes just ~ 30 minutes, sometimes ~ 1 h or more) I am always recommended a 72 hour to 4 day (!) recovery, which seems way too much, so I no longer pay attention to that.

- My body battery (for what it's worth) rarely goes lower than 30-40 at the end of the day even with a TL of 300-400, and almost always fully recharges during the night. Generally, there is no correlation between how I feel and what the BB shows.

- Overall stress level (for what it's worth) for the past 2 months is 19.

- My weight is stable.

- My RHR is stable.

- No overtraining and no injuries during those last 2 months with increased TL.

Now, I am no athlete, and I am not training for anything specific. I just enjoy active lifestyle. I do not use Optimal Range to plan my workouts, so whether this is answered/solved or not won't change anything. At the moment a TL of ~300 (in Garmin figures) per day seems to hit the sweet spot for me, so I guess I'll keep doing what I am doing. This is all just curiosity and trying to understand weather all those fancy metrics are just another useless gimmick or if there is maybe a user error somewhere, as well as a desire to see everything work properly even if I do not use it.

So, in the end the question that I have is this.

How does the Optimal range work and what's really required to increase it? Staying above and within it does not seem to influence it. Has anybody of you, guys, managed to get the upper limit of the Optimal Range above 1540? If so, how?

Thanks!

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to subra

    Checked it. They are the same.

  • If you feel comfortable with that would you mind share a few of your recorded workouts on GC Web?It might give us an idea whether the values are realistic based on the HR data,

    These numbers are either a result of rather impressive trainings or something is wrong with the data. Either way, even the data is not quite correct congratulation for the effort, you obviously work hard!

  • According to your description I guess your TL is fair way off and the upper limit of the optimal range is limited in the app to ~1500. Therefore the optimal range can't follow the actual TL. But why is your daily TL~300 for 7 days a week?

    Do you've set your body weight in the correct unit (kg or lbs)? If you mixed up the units the TL are multiplied with a factor of 1kg/1lbs=2.2 which can explain the high TL.

    Firstbeat uses EPOC for calculation the TL. I guess TL=EPOC. Please have a look at this paper and compare your activities with table 4 to get an overview of your TL's

    https://assets.firstbeat.com/firstbeat/uploads/2015/10/white_paper_epoc.pdf

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to subra
    But why is your daily TL~300 for 7 days a week?

    Because I am exercising 2-2.5 hours daily, I guess.

    I am all metric, so my height is set in cm and my weight is in kg. lbs would not make any sense to me.

    I had a look at the table in the link you posted. The values seem reasonable. For example, a few days back I did a 10 km run. My average HR was 146 (my LTHR is 158). I've no clue at what VO2max percentage I was running, but according to the table 70-90% of VO2max would give a TL of 120-260. My TL for that run was 190, which is bang in the middle of that range.

    1 h walking usually gives me less TL than in the table.

    45 min of aerobics - the table says 70-200. I did a 45 min. jump rope session yesterday and got a TL of 145. Again almost in the middle of the range.

    Today I did 15 km inline skating, which effort-wise is probably close to cross-country skiing. The table says 130-320, my TL was 146.

    Can't really see any significant deviations here.

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to crt_hun

    The idea of starting this thread was to find what's wrong with the Optimal Load. However, it now seems that this thread is turning into a "find fault with the OP's settings and/or data". Grinning

    If you feel comfortable with that would you mind share a few of your recorded workouts

    Well, I actually quite value my privacy. Anyway, here are a couple without GPS data.

    This one is from yesterday, a kind of combined strength/cardio session. Please, disregard the Exercise names and reps. The Garmin fails miserably there and I can't be bothered to correct all that.

    https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/4925114623#.Xr2hzwXdvC4

    This one is also from yesterday, a jump rope session with 0.5 kg weights around ankles. I already mentioned this session in another post.

    connect.garmin.com/.../4926738707

  • Now, I am no athlete

    Understatement of the year

    I agree

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago

    After one of my run my watches asked me if I want set HR zones by LT (measured 167). I confirmed YES and did not check further.

    Recently I checked HR zones in every training and found, that zones in trainings are set all time by %max without any changes, not by %LT.

    BUT!! in Garmin Connect was zones %LT set.

    Now after zones reseting and manual LT and max HR setting is correctly measured in training activities.

    Make sure you don't have the same problem.

  • from the provided information about the training type/duration and HR value from the provided samples, I would say, compared to my own TL, that Former MemberTL seems fair.

    I do not train as much as him, but with 1h to 1h30 trail running per day in average (+few cardio workouts), my TL is usually between  1100-1400 and can go up to 1500-1700 if I combine that few with other activities (hiking/bicycle).

    As his observation, the upper limit of my "optimal range" never increased more than 1500 even when my own TL is close or higher than the limit for several days, showing that probably, as stated before, this can be the roof of the expected TL by garmin/firstbeat.

    additional remark: I always use HRM-run strap during my activities. However, I observed a few weeks ago (when my HRM-run strap died and waiting a whole week the new one to arrive) that the inaccuracy of the WHR has led to a significant change in my aerobic and anaerobic scores (always higher than expected), as well as overestimated training load:  I associate that to fast over-variations of the HR values measure by the optical sensor around the good one, that seems to trigger much more anaerobic scores which artificially increases the global TL.

  • Once again to your main question.

    The optimal range depends on VO2max

    www.firstbeat.com/.../

    and VO2max is mainly calculated by running outdoors with GPS or cycling with a power meter

    support.garmin.com/.../

    As you've mentioned you make many activities that may not calculate VO2max and therefore the optimal range remains constant.

    It's only a thought from me that may explain why the constant optimal doesn't shift upwards.


  • "I'm no athlete".

    I don't know your speed, but those are certainly the figures of someone with a very athletic condition :) Congratulations. I'm not helping to solve your problem, I just wanted to say "good job!".