REM sleep AND movements?

Former Member
Former Member

Hi guys,

I always thought that during REM, you have totally relaxed muscles except eye movements.

Otherwise you could be diagnosed with REM sleep behaviour disorder ;-)

My Fenix 6 shows me sleep with REM , but sometimes there are quite a lot of

movements recorded during REM and sometimes there aren't..

Sometimes it shows "light sleep" with no movements at all...

How about that? Any ideas or explanations?

I would be grateful.

  • During REM sleep, the body and brain go through several changes, including:

    • Rapid movement of the eyes.
    • Fast and irregular breathing.
    • Increased heart rate (to near waking levels).
    • Changes in body temperature.
    • Increased blood pressure.
    • Brain activity similar to that seen while awake.
    • Increased oxygen consumption by the brain.
    • Sexual arousal in both men and women.
    • Twitching of the face and limbs.
  • Maybe you were snoring and someone was trying to shake you to make you stop Smiley

    The movement you're seeing on the chart isn't actually representing very significant movement. See the movement before and after sleep, and how much higher it is. Those little ripples of movement during sleep could be from very small movements - muscle twitching, heavy breathing, or your partner moving around next to you.

    It shouldn't be any cause for concern unless there are peaks of movement that hit like the 2nd or 3rd line up on the chart and can't be explained by something like getting up to use the toilet.

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago

    thx for the replies!

    I'd be interested what' used for the watch to decide its REM.

    Since it doesn't measure 

    - eye movements / body core temp. / blood pressure / brain activity / oxygen consumpt. /sexual arousal / muscle tone, 

    it must be categorized by

    -- breath rate and variability

    -- heart rate and variability

    --limb twitching 

    Correct?

  • It measured REM before breathing was introduced as a new metric. So I think it's largely just based on HR and movement.

    I believe that HR typically increases during REM. But admittedly I don't really know a lot about it.

    Increased heart rate (to near waking levels).

    That should be a pretty good indicator of REM. My sleeping HR is typically about 10-20bpm lower than my awake resting HR. So if my HR increases to near waking levels, then I'm probably either in REM or I've gotten up to use the bathroom. Funny enough, a few times my watch has said I was in REM when in fact I know I was awake and using the bathroom Smiley

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to C.sco

    That's my heart rate during the night.  Not many changes. My guess is it's neither the movement nor the heart rate but only the HRVariability left for detecting REM?

  • My sleeping HR is typically about 10-20bpm lower than my awake resting HR.

    That sounds a lot. What's your awake resting HR? I'm sat here pecking away at my laptop and my HR is 58. My average awake resting is around 50. I only drop around 5 bpm give or take sleeping...I think.

  • I haven't gotten up from my desk in hours, and right now I'm showing 65bpm, which is pretty typical for me. My sleeping HR is usually about 50. I seldom drop down to the 50's when I'm awake.

    Perhaps I drink too much coffee Smiley