ClimbPro in mountainous terrain needs some adjustment (screenshots) and improvements with course elevation profile

Did a 6 mile hike over a modest mountain peak and used ClimbPro on a course created with GCM (hike activity type). ClimbPro made some strange choices about how to break up the course, IMO. The major gain from base to summit was 1600' not including any small up-and-downhill segments, which brought the total gain to about 1900'. Climbpro chose to split this up into 3 climbs. #1 @ 1568 feet over 2.3 miles, #2 @ 46 feet over 0.13 mi, and #3 @ 107' over 0.27 mi.

You can see the locations of these climbs in the screen below

The choices made by ClimbPro don't make a lot of sense to me. Climbs #2 and #3 are very short distances and very minor elevation gains. The grade might be relevant for a cyclist or a runner, but given how short they are, likely not. 46' of gain might qualify as a hill in Tampa or NYC, but in the context of a ~1900 ft gain hike, it's nothing.

We should be able to set thresholds for grade and total gain so that ClimbPro won't arbitrarily break the course up into tiny climbs. Ideally we could also manually subdivide the course into climbs by waypoints or something, but even a basic ability to set climb generation parameters (minimum absolute gain/distance/grade or minimum % gain of total course) would be a major improvement. In this example, it might have been nice to split the 1st climb up into 2 climbs by average grade, then not generate the original #2 and #3 at all. At the very least, climb #2 should not have been there.

The "no more climbs" screen would be more useful if it contained better information about descents - i.e. "DescentPro", because lots of courses have equal climbs and descents and the descents are very relevant. A cyclist is definitely going to want to know about descents, but a runner/hiker/etc may also care if there's a significant downhill section coming up. Having a beautiful course elevation profile seems like a waste if it doesn't show relevant data once you've done the uphill sections. On a hike like this one (and MOST mountain hikes), the last 50% of the course is descent!

The distance at the bottom of the navigation/elevation screen should have both total distance AND distance remaining, or distance covered AND distance remaining. There's plenty of screen real estate and it doesn't make sense not to show more information. Since it shows ascent done (green up arrow) and ascent remaining (blue up arrow) it should probably also show descent remaining. If you add distance completed and distance remaining it's even more like a terrain-shaped progress bar of the course.

These would be great to have on F6X and I bet there is still enough room on the 240/260px displays

  • Would love a threshold option. I was thinking just that on a recent run where some of the climbs were “fake”

  • Figured I would add a picture of what the navigation screen looks like now (left) vs what it would ideally look like (right two). IMO the current screen is leaving information out which would be extremely nice to have.

    It's definitely more crowded but it's giving actionable data. If the elevation at the top and the total distance at the bottom are optional, it looks even cleaner

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 4 years ago

    I would love to see these features as well.

    On a recent 12 mile hike, ClimbPro split my hike into 7 climbs. A few climbs were in the 500'-1500' range which was perfect, but then I had one climb which was only 9 feet!!!

    On steep hikes, ClimbPro is my most used screen. The features has in the screenshots are so useful. Please integrate this into a future update!

    One other feature which I'd like to see is a color gradient for how steep the climb is. I think this is working for bike ClimbPro but I'd love to see this feature for hikes as well.

  • Thanks for weighing in. I think it's damn near impossible to get anyone with decision-making ability at Garmin to consider a new feature (really a very slight tweak to an existing feature). I submitted it to Garmin's idea submission when I started this post 5 months ago, but I doubt if anyone will ever look at or seriously consider it. Maybe it will help if more people make the same request, but I have no idea how they would lump multiple requests together.

    https://www.garmin.com/en-US/forms/ideas/

    IMO it's an absolute no-brainer to show distance behind you and distance ahead of you in addition to total distance, and there is plenty of screen real estate to do it. The elevation gain/loss remaining might be a little messier, but I'm sure they can figure it out. ClimbPro climb thresholds absolutely need some kind of adjustment or user customization. The feature makes really nonsensical decisions as it stands right now, and I doubt if anyone has considered how it breaks up hikes involving large and steep gains/losses where it seems to break.

  • Great ideas.

    Also... It should update the remaining elevation more often using barometric sensor. I suspect that now it works using GPS and map but that is not great.

    I would like to have there something like a grade of the next few tens of meters or seconds or whatever. Simply, it does not matter that it will be 8% over few miles. I want to know when the steep sections come and what grade it will be. Something like a steepness plot. I think it might be more helpful than elevation plot. Or have both ... Or use colors to show different steepness.

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 4 years ago in reply to multiades

    Cool. I just filled the idea form. Hopefully this gains more traction.

  • I agree, a threshold setting of some sort would be great. As it stands currently, we have no control over what the watch decides is a "climb" or not. It often tags things as climbs that it really shouldn't, like walking up a 3ft tall creek bankside, or a mile long stretch of trail that only ascends like 20ft. And, inversely, it breaks up what should be a single climb into multiple climbs. If I'm climbing a mountain peak, for example, I want it to treat it as one long climb, and not break it up into multiple climbs every time there's 5ft of descent somewhere along the way.

    What I'd really love to see is some sort of "sensitivity" setting where it won't split up a climb into multiple climbs unless there is a descent more than say 50ft, or 100ft. And another setting where it won't count something as a "climb" unless it ascends more than 50ft, or 100ft.

    While I've never had a hike get broken up into more than 10 or so climbs, I've seen some users post hikes they did where it got broken up into like 30+ different short climbs, when really there should've only been 2 or 3 long climbs.

    Even if the sensitivty setting was just something vague like "Low, medium, high" it would be better than nothing.

  • the current screen is leaving information out which would be extremely nice to have.