Did I pay Garmin for being a beta tester, or is the Enduro3 just crap?

I’m wearing the Enduro3 for two weeks now and I feel it’s a old buggy watch in a nice new jacket. Garmin literally told me to be patient for future updates and these bugs are normal in this fase??

The workout screen is different than my old FR245. It shows the current pace and not the average pace. Which means it beeps every second during strides or shorter intervals as the watch can’t keep up with calculating (which makes sense). I had to tell my trainer to change my workouts without a pace range because of this.

There’s tons of settings for voice commands, but I didn’t buy a Fenix8 for a reason. I don’t want to carry my phone for voice commands. Just give me options to set individual alarms/signals for stuff I actually use (navigation or workouts etc).

There’s suddenly no auto zoom?

There’s setting in the manual (type of marker for example) which are not on the watch

The maps respond reaaally slow.

Today it started recalculation the route when I was still on a (self made) course but it  wanted me to return because that was closer to the starting point. I only want it to recalculate when I’m actually off track.

on the other hand, during one hike I went off course three times and it never recalculated 

During one run the map just disappeared

On today’s workout it didn’t record my cadance while it did record ground contact time etc. So the cadance should be there as well ?

love the battery life and the looks, but that doesn’t justify the €900,-

Am I the only one thinking this actually isn’t such a great update (which I initially thought it was)?

  • Hi, I can understand your frustration regarding the bugs and issues currently present, but even in the past, it has happened that new Garmin watches faced similar challenges at launch. Perhaps this time there are indeed more problems, but Garmin is releasing beta updates almost weekly to fix these issues and add missing features. Unfortunately, this has become common in many fields nowadays, where a product is released and then followed by bug fixes and operating system feature updates. As frustrating as it is, that’s how it works. To avoid further inconveniences, one should wait and postpone the purchase for at least six months, by which time the software is usually stable and well-refined. I’ve also noticed and reported several bugs, but I can say that, in most cases, the watches remain usable perhaps not in optimal condition yet, but still functional.

    Regarding the fact that a €900 watch shouldn’t have certain errors, absolutely agree. In my case, despite the various issues and bugs, it remains usable, and hopefully, we’ll see plenty of new features and fixes for all the problems in the coming months. As I mentioned, Garmin is releasing beta updates every week, which shows that they are actively monitoring the rollout of these new watches, which are just over two months old.

  • Thanks for your reply Ludovico,

    And thanks for making me feel a little less bad about the purchase :-)
    For me it was the right moment to buy a new watch, but next time I'll wait another 6 months, or even consider looking at other brands (Suunto and Coros are stepping up so it seems, although nobody can/will beat the Enduro's solar/battery power).

    I still feel I bought an unfinished buggy product with(out) features which have been working on older models without any problem. And next to this I think some functions will never work as smooth because of the lack of internal memory.

    I'll keep beta testing and reporting bugs.

    Have a good weekend!


  • I completely understand your frustration, and you’re not alone. As I was saying, it also bothers me to have paid for a product that essentially has an early-access operating system. Unfortunately, these systems tend to reach maturity and a certain degree of stability only after at least six months.

    Today, during a hike, I experienced GPS drift in an area where there were no signal issues, and the GPS showed me in a location that was completely off (in fact, I’ll be reporting this bug shortly). On my old Fenix 7X, I don’t even remember having drift problems, but it was a system that, upon release, was only slightly better than the initial state of the Enduro 3 and Fenix 8 operating systems.

    Bugs like poor positional accuracy can be really dangerous for outdoor activities. That said, we endure the situation, hoping to fully enjoy these watches at their maximum potential in the coming months. Have a great weekend!

  • Suunto and Coros are stepping up so it seems, although nobody can/will beat the Enduro's solar/battery power

    Coros Vertix 2/2s beats Enduro 3 battery life. Suunto Vertical Solar is also very close if not better than Enduro 3.

    Furthermore, Garmin usually overstates the battery life while other brands tend to understate.

  • I completely agree.

    I am a long-term Garmin user. I feel this has been the worst of all the watch "upgrades". Too many issues since I bought the Enduro on the day of release.

    For me, my biggest issue so far has been intensity minutes. It's not working on my Enduro. I have resorted to wearing my Epix Pro whenever I'm running. It records everything correctly. The lack of proper intensity minutes tracking effects many other metrics.

  • After (too) many 11.xx Public versions, next beta will add a ton of new features ... not sure this is waht customer expect.

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    Type Models Description
    Added All Added "Disabled" Text on Music Glance when Battery Saver Enabled.
    Added All Added Active App Overlay.
    Added Amoled Added Additional Epix Pro Watch Face.
    Added All Added an option to reorder pinned map layers.
    Added All Added Background Circle to Active App Indicator.
    Added Solar Added Background Color Option to the Watch Face Editor (Solar models).
    Added All Added Coordinates Option in Course Creation.
    Added All Added Dynamic Y-Axis Scaling on Scrollable Charts.
    Added All Added Gaming Activity.
    Added All Added improved error messaging for Outdoor Maps+.
    Added All Added Marine Activity Data Fields.
    Added All Added Marine Chart Mode Toggle to Map Settings.
    Added All Added Meditation Activity.
    Added All Added New UI for Rep Editing in Strength Workouts.
    Added All Added Personalized Sleep Insights.
    Added All Added Points List to Expedition.
    Added All Added Prompt to Exit Sleep Mode from the Sleep Mode Power Control.
    Added All Added Reference Point App.
    Added All Added Sail Expedition Activity.
    Added All Added Sail Race Tack Assist Data Screen.
    Added All Added Search All Options to Navigation.
    Added All Added Segment Page when Navigating a Course with Segments.
    Added All Added Settings Backup and Restore.
    Added All Added Support to Display Event Countdowns on the Watch Face.
    Added All Added Support to Pin Map Layers.
    Added All Added Support to Rearrange Items in the Fish Forecast App.
    Added All Added Support to Rearrange Items in the Tides App.
    Added All Added Total Projected Calories to Calories App.
    Added All Added Touch Support to the Fish Forecast App.
    Added All Added Volume Access on the Phone Assistant.
    Added All Added White Activity Accent Color Option.
    Improved All Blocked Language Change Option During Activities.
    Changed All Enabled navigation Turn Guidance On by default and fixed cases where it was disabled.
    Improved All Enabled Touch Setting in CIQ Activities.
    Improved All Improved Edit Glances Flow to Match Fenix 7.
    Improved All Improved Fish Forecast Day/Night Calculation.
    Improved All Improved Fish Forecast Handling for No Locations.
    Improved All Improved Golf Round Start to Better Match Approach Products.
    Improved All Improved Hint Text on the Keyboard Pages.
    Improved All Improved Key Arc Drawing on the Map.
    Improved All Improved Number Pad UI.
    Improved All Improved Settings Backup Messaging When Paired to Explore.
    Improved All Improved Support for Side-Loaded Maps.
    Improved All Improved the Timing of the Active App Indicator Displayed on the Watch Face.
    Improved All Improved Touch Performance on Strength Set Editing.
    Improved All Improved Training Readiness Syncing with Garmin Connect.
    Improved All Moved the Placement of the Workout Video Page to Before the Workout Data Screen.
    Improved All Removed Ability to Start Timer Using Touch.
    Improved All Removed Alerts Setting in Breathwork Activity.
    Improved All Updated Activity Map Settings Menu Option Text.
    Improved All Updated Discard Activity Page to Match Fenix 7.
    Improved All Updated Smart Notification Banner Pull-Down Animation.
    Fixed All Fixed a case where Sleep would not record even though HR and Movement were tracked.
    Fixed All Fixed a problem causing increased battery consumption if using a CIQ Watch Face.
    Fixed All Fixed About Page Ephemeris Data Display.
    Fixed All Fixed Accent Color on Generic Activity Profile.
    Fixed All Fixed Active App Indicator Performance on CIQ Watch Faces.
    Fixed All Fixed Activities Accidentally Being Saved on Device Powerdown.
    Fixed All Fixed Activity Icon Coloring in First Time Setup.
    Fixed All Fixed an issue where watch faces could look too dim with Always On Display enabled.
    Fixed All Fixed an issue with the change sport functionality.
    Fixed All Fixed Appearance Menu Items Closing Back to Settings Menu.
    Fixed All Fixed Audio Output setting via Routing page implying the setting was Off.
    Fixed All Fixed Body Battery Events List not Showing Correct Sleep Time.
    Fixed All Fixed Bug Causing Scrolling on Smart Notifications to Scroll Data Screens.
    Fixed All Fixed Bug Hiding Training Effect Benefit from Some DSW Workouts.
    Fixed All Fixed Calendar Displaying the Incorrect Day for Events.
    Fixed All Fixed Calendar Header Showing Wrong Day.
    Fixed All Fixed CIQ Watch Faces Showing Stale Data.
    Fixed All Fixed Copying Multisport Activity Profile in GCM.
    Fixed All Fixed Crash when Dismissing Notifications.
    Fixed All Fixed Cut Off Entry Text on the Number Pad Page.
    Fixed All Fixed Data Presentation After Meditation Activities.
    Fixed All Fixed Disabled Touch Setting in Meditation Activity.
    Fixed All Fixed Display Behavior when in Resume Later State.
    Fixed All Fixed DND Smart Notification Not Being Enabled Correctly.
    Fixed All Fixed Edit Glances Page After Creating a Glance Folder.
    Fixed All Fixed Exercise Names Getting Truncated.
    Fixed All Fixed Expedition Not Recording First GPS Point.
    Fixed All Fixed Favorite Fish Forecast Location Overriding Other Locations.
    Fixed All Fixed Handling of No Data on the Stocks App.
    Fixed All Fixed History and Last Activity Glances Displaying Distance for Breathwork Activity.
    Fixed All Fixed HR Glance not Updating After Disabling in Garmin Connect.
    Fixed All Fixed HR Segmented Zone Ranges.
    Fixed All Fixed Incomplete Background Gradient on Several Glances.
    Fixed All Fixed Incorrect Active App Indicator Icon in Resume Later.
    Fixed Solar Fixed Incorrect Map Colors (Solar.)
    Fixed All Fixed Incorrect Timestamps on HRV Graph.
    Fixed All Fixed Incorrect Vibrations on Hunt and Fish Timer Pages.
    Fixed All Fixed inReach Pairing When Verify is Enabled on inReach Device.
    Fixed All Fixed Intensity Minute Chart Displaying Incorrect Data.
    Fixed All Fixed Map Controls Map when in Dark Mode.
    Fixed All Fixed Map Scale Disappearing in an Acitvity.
    Fixed All Fixed Maps Being Forced to North Up After Using Outdoor Maps+.
    Fixed All Fixed Max HR Change Not Being Handled Correctly When Zones Based on %LTHR.
    Fixed All Fixed Meditation Session Description Text Layout.
    Fixed All Fixed Menu Icon Getting Cropped on Music Player.
    Fixed All Fixed Miscolored Edit Icon.
    Fixed All Fixed Missing Decline Phone Pairing Option in First Time Setup.
    Fixed All Fixed Missing Items in Notifications and Alerts Menu.
    Fixed All Fixed Missing Lap Indicator Icon during Workouts.
    Fixed All Fixed Missing Map Settings in Activities.
    Fixed All Fixed Missing Morning Report Settings Menu during Sleep Mode.
    Fixed Solar Fixed Moon Phase Glance Icon Drawing (MIP).
    Fixed All Fixed Music Auto Sync not Triggering.
    Fixed All Fixed Music Settings Menu Incorrectly Showing Battery Saver Enabled.
    Fixed All Fixed Outdoor Maps+ Area Select Using an Invalid Location.
    Fixed All Fixed PacePro Plan Missing Name in Race Calendar App.
    Fixed All Fixed PacePro Prompt Being Pushed Incorrectly on Race Day.
    Fixed All Fixed Page Flow when Starting a Course Navigation from the Map App.
    Fixed All Fixed Palm Cover not closing Smart Notifications.
    Fixed All Fixed Potential Crash After Selecting Name for Soccer/Football Activity.
    Fixed All Fixed Potential Crash Caused by Loading Large Music Playlists.
    Fixed All Fixed Potential Crash from Heart Rate Glance in Folder.
    Fixed All Fixed Potential Crash When Viewing Fitness Age.
    Fixed All Fixed Press-and-Hold on 0 on Phone App DialPad.
    Fixed All Fixed Pulse Ox from being Incorrectly Blocked in All Power Modes.
    Fixed All Fixed Recovery Notification Title Not Displaying.
    Fixed All Fixed Round-Trip Routing from the Map App.
    Fixed All Fixed Scale on the Barometer Chart.
    Fixed All Fixed Scanning and Picking Waypoints on the Map.
    Fixed All Fixed Scheduled Workouts Incorrectly Placed on the Calendar.
    Fixed All Fixed Scrolling on the Triathlon Activity Summary Page.
    Fixed All Fixed SkiView Map Being Disabled by Outdoor Maps+.
    Fixed All Fixed Smart Notifications Displaying in Full Screen in Strength Activity.
    Fixed All Fixed Smart Notifications Not Disabling Correctly in General Use.
    Fixed All Fixed Some Settings not Applying Correctly in Settings Backup.
    Fixed All Fixed Stopwatch Icon Color in Activity History List.
    Fixed All Fixed Stress Chart Not Showing Data when Opening via Recents Menu.
    Fixed All Fixed Text Truncation in the Moon Phase App.
    Fixed All Fixed Text Wrapping Issues in Recovery App.
    Fixed All Fixed Timeout Issue in Golf Setup.
    Fixed All Fixed Unnecessary Enhanced GPS Files when Lock on Road Enabled.
    Fixed All Fixed Watch Face Select Scroll Speed when Using Buttons.
    Fixed All Fixed Weather Forecast Page not Displaying Properly.
    Fixed All Fixed Zoned Segmented Arcs on the Watch Face.
    Fixed All Fixed Zoom Level Resetting Every Time Map is Opened.
  • Actually, we’ve been out of the 11.X Beta for quite some time now; we’re currently on version 12.19. Maybe you meant the next official update and not the Beta? Just out of curiosity, where did you find the information shown in the image you attached?

  • Beta 12.xx

    as you said 11.xx is Public Live

  • Could you provide the link to where you got this information?

    Thank you

  • GDrive link to Full Changelog spreadsheets : https://bit.ly/40m2Rad

    sheets 3&4

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    i do not manage to create a thread for Fenix 8 Series for the moment, so original Thread is here

    https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/fenix-7-series/350860/garmin---fenix-7-epix-2-series---excel-changelog