Waypoints and Course Points and custom POI export to the Watch

Hey,

first of all I want to make clear what I'm meaning when im talking about Waypoints, Course Points and POIs.

I want to use Basecamp as my planning Software.

Waypoint:

Just one of the Rout-Points I need to create a Track in Basecamp. One follows the other and I get a Track with an Starting Point and a Destination. So it's just the Track I want to Hike.

So It's just part of the turn by turn navigation,

Course Points:

Interesting Points on the track, which I've planed. Like Houses, mountain shelter, water-points.

There are a Data-Fields on the Fenix like "Distance and Time to next Course Point". And I want to know how much distance there will be to reach the next Course Points

Custom POIs:

I want to great Custom POIs like camping-sites or emergency shelters in the area I'm Hiking.

So If the weather conditions changed dramatically I could navigate to that point, although it's not part of the track I planned before.

Question:

Im able to plane and transfers Routes with GC, GE or Basecamp.

But there are Features in GC which I Need in Basecamp. So How could I combine alle of these?

In GC I can add Coursepoints on Tracks which I created in Basecamp, but no custom POIs.

In Basecamp I can add Custom POIs and export it to the Watch but no Course Points.

So how can I create a Track with all of these Information an export it to the Watch?

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phoglund_ over 5 years ago in reply to marcossaad_ +1

Actually there are a few more.

See this forum post:

https://www.plotaroute.com/posts/1368/D/1

I think we've got to the bottom of this now! We've made some more changes that should enable the use of…
marcossaad_ over 5 years ago in reply to phoglund_ +1

All my waypoints at Basecamp have empty Notes. I only use Name.

Here are my findings testing plotaroute after your comments:

1- Use Symbol or Turn Arrow, not both, and make sure to set the other to "i…

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0 HESHER over 5 years ago

I wanted to achieve something similar. This worked:

- plan track in Basecamp and export as gpx

- import in gpsies. You should see the custom waypoints

- export as fit with waypoints and track and place in newfiles on the device

- navigate course on the device. You should see the custom.waypoints as "next waypoint"

For other non-course points, use Garmin explore to add them as map waypoints

0 Kartoffelsalat over 5 years ago in reply to HESHER

Thanks for your answer, but I didn't get it.

Garmin Explore for non-course points works fine.

What to you mean:

HESHER said:
import in gpsies. You should see the custom waypoints

How should I setup these custom waypoints (shown as next waypoint on the device) in Basecamp?

As a normal Waypoint (Basecamp POI) included in the route I´ve created?

Do you use the gpsies "converter" or the "routebuilder" and import the gpx file for that?

Is there a better or easier way to solve this problem by using an other planning software like komoot, Outdooractive, view ranger ? How can I create custom waypoints (shown as next waypoint on the device) in other planing software?

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POIs created on the Device:

What about POIs a created on the watch during a activity?

It seems not possible to import POIs I´ve created on the watch in Garmin Explore yet.

But I´ve read in a other Blog that I´ve to connect Garmin Explore with my device before I create own POIs on the watch to import them. Is that right?

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Database:

I want to build up a Database for all my planed Tour or Hikes I've done, with fotos, own POIs, Informations about my hike.

This could be a Cloud-Based solution or an offline Software like Basecamp, what ever. Which one do you use for that?

In Komoot or Outdooractive It´s not possible to create custom POIs and I like to use professional maps for my planning. The OSM maps works fine for normal hikes but not for mountain engineering.

0 HESHER over 5 years ago in reply to Kartoffelsalat

You're right. The way I described did not add the points as courpoints. I was confusing this with the instructions for eTrex (which I also have)

What works for sure, and I tried it again yesterday evening, is:

1. create a course with plotaroute.com

2. Add some course points in plotaroute.com

3. Export as fit

4. Put on newFiles

When you "Do course" the next point will show the actual course point you created and there will not be any auto-generated TBT points.

Sorry again for the confusion.

0 marcossaad_ over 5 years ago in reply to Kartoffelsalat

Hi,

This is subject that I care. So, let contribute:

What you create in the watch are "waypoints" not POI's.

POI's belong to the map and unfortunately watches are not compatible wit custom POI via POI Loader software.

It's a shame that Garmin softwares no longer support managing course_points (Training Center did that in the past) used for TBT turn by turn directions (and/or distance information).

Additionally, Ant Fit sdk (belongs to Garmin) specifies warnings and turns as follow :

Type	Garmin
generic	0
summit	1
valley	2
water	3
food	4
danger	5
left	6
right	7
straight	8
first_aid	9
fourth_category	10
third_category	11
second_category	12
first_category	13
hors_category	14
sprint	15
left_fork	16
right_fork	17
middle_fork	18
slight_left	19
sharp_left	20
slight_right	21
sharp_right	22
u_turn	23
segment_start	24
segment_end	25

Gpsies, i.g. does not have them all...

Regards,

0 Kartoffelsalat over 5 years ago in reply to marcossaad_

So how can I export so called "Waypoints", which I saved by "save location" on the watch (not POIs) from it to Garmin Explore?

For me It´s very frustrating to have such an expensive Device which should help me with navigation and be much safer during mountain engineering. But it makes it much more complicated.

These are just very basic feature if you're planning a mountain tour or an hike in the local woods. Not just gimmicks.

0 marcossaad_ over 5 years ago in reply to Kartoffelsalat

To Garmin Explore it is straight forward. Just install the app in your cell and sync your watch. The same way you do with GCM.

You can than see and manage them at Garmin Explore web site (https://us0.inreach.garmin.com/)

Other way is connecting your watch to the computer via USB cable and open Basecamp. They ara gonna be there.

Managing waypoints is easy when compared with course_points which are my current burn ...

0 HESHER over 5 years ago in reply to marcossaad_

What's your method to create a course with course points but no Generated TBT?
For me plotaroute.

0 marcossaad_ over 5 years ago in reply to HESHER

Wow, you've just saved my day! Plotaroute can semi-automatically convert waypoints to course_points! I just have to fix some icons (Symbols) !!! Thank you.

From now on I'll do the following:

1-Create and manage tracks and waypoints using Basacamp.

2-Export it as GPX

3-Upload it at Plotaroute

4-Fix the Symbols (icons)

5-Export as .tcx

6-Use MacBadger's TCX2FIT app to convert .tcx files into Fenix optimized .fit files.

I´ll test this weekend and let you know.

Regards,

0 HESHER over 5 years ago in reply to marcossaad_

You can also just export it as fit from PlotAroute. Is there a reason to go through tcx+McBadger?

(I tried it and it worked)

0 phoglund_ over 5 years ago in reply to marcossaad_

But why step 5 and 6. McBadger has also written the fit exporter at plotaroute.

I use the fit download at plotaroute on my mobile (android) and download directly to watch with gimporter ciq widget at least once a week.