The gesture doesn't switch the light on

I've just checked. CIQ and stock widgets run the same during activity,

Yeah that's exactly what I said before (I did extensive tests and made a whole table for you but I guess you ignored all of that).

The fact that CIQ and stock widgets (and every other screen) all act the same way point to the fact that this is not a bug, but it's by design.

In my opinion - when I switch to the widgets, watch face, etc  I do it because I want to see something out of the activity screen but in the night its impossible without light on. If light is so important why I can press the light button? So gesture is bad and pressing good? No consequences... 

Why I switched off the gesture during activity. Because there is another bug, during running the screen is all the time on, every move of my hand is treated as the gesture and it consumes a  lot of battery.

Yeah so we've come full circle and my understanding of your issue was correct after all, after all the comments that have been posted back and forth.

That's your opinion but I explained why Garmin's During Activity literally means "during activity" and not "while activity is in foreground". "During Activity" is a very simple phrase whose meaning should be clear. If I say that my kitchen fan should be on "during cooking" that doesn't mean that I will turn the fan off just because I take a 30 second break from cooking to do something else (like look at my phone). In the same way, if certain display mode settings apply "During Activity", just because I switch to another screen *during an activity* doesn't mean that the watch is no longer in the "during an activity" state.

From my pov, in practical and real-world terms, an activity is a session of some exercise like running or basketball. If I temporarily switch to the watchface during a run, it doesn't necessarily mean I stopped running. Even if I stopped running temporarily, it doesn't mean that I'm no longer in the middle of a run.

Same goes for basketball. It's a little different because I don't wear my watch on my wrist during basketball, but I just use wear an HR strap (although I do know some people who wear an apple watch during games). Even if I check my watch in between games, it doesn't mean I'm no longer in the middle of a basketball activity. If someone texts me at this point, I will say "I'm playing basketball" even if I'm not literally in the act of playing basketball at that instant.

but in the night its impossible without light on

It's not impossible at all. Just:

- turn on the gesture in Display > During Activity settings

or

- press the light button.

or

- turn on Keys & Touch in the During Activity Settings

I'm still struggling to understand why you apparently want both of the following things to be true:

- at night, during an activity, the light should not turn on when you look at an activity screen

- at night, during an activity, the light should turn on when you look at a non-activity screen

Is there something magic about activity screens where you don't need a light, as opposed to non-activity screens?

If I am running outdoors at night, I need the backlight to be on when I look at the watch, period. It seems that you don't want to look at activity screens at all? So you want to avoid accidentally lighting up the screen with a gesture while an activity screen is displayed, but when you display a non-activity screen, all of a sudden you want the watch to understand that you need to see the display.

Well, that's what the light button is for.

"If light is so important why I can press the light button? So gesture is bad and pressing good?"

This doesn't make any sense to me. We also already discussed this previously, but the point of the settings is to control what the gesture does, not to control whether the light can be turned on at all. Nobody is saying "gesture is bad and pressing is good" and even if they were, that's a different argument from saying that "During Activity" should not always apply during an activity.

Nobody is saying "light is so important", Garmin is just following the settings that *you* set. It's not Garmin's fault that you think those settings should do something other than they actually do.

As I said before, the point of the gesture setting is to control what the gesture does, not to control whether the light can turn on at all. Obviously it's much easier to accidentally trigger a gesture than it is to accidentally press the light button. In fact, just to look at your watch you normally have to trigger the gesture. You don't have to press the light button to look at your watch. So the light button and the gesture are not comparable at all.

You have a very niche use case where you want the gesture to be disabled for activity screens, but not for non-activity screens (during an activity), because you want to avoid triggering the backlight by accident at night, but only when you're deliberately looking at a non-activity screen during an activity. That's a feature request, not a bug report. I doubt Garmin will ever implement it, unfortunately.

btw, a very simple way to address your use case is to set Display Mode > During Activity > Keys & Touch to On, but set Gesture to Off. This should cover all the bases, if I understand what you want:

- While you do an activity at night, the gesture won't accidentally turn on the light

- When you take *deliberate* action to view another screen (whether it's another activity or a non-activity screen), you have to either use the buttons or touch. In this case, the display will light up

I don't really see any downsides to this, unless I'm not understanding your use case.

I've just checked. CIQ and stock widgets run the same during activity,

Yeah that's exactly what I said before (I did extensive tests and made a whole table for you but I guess you ignored all of that).

The fact that CIQ and stock widgets (and every other screen) all act the same way point to the fact that this is not a bug, but it's by design.

In my opinion - when I switch to the widgets, watch face, etc  I do it because I want to see something out of the activity screen but in the night its impossible without light on. If light is so important why I can press the light button? So gesture is bad and pressing good? No consequences... 

Why I switched off the gesture during activity. Because there is another bug, during running the screen is all the time on, every move of my hand is treated as the gesture and it consumes a  lot of battery.

Yeah so we've come full circle and my understanding of your issue was correct after all, after all the comments that have been posted back and forth.

That's your opinion but I explained why Garmin's During Activity literally means "during activity" and not "while activity is in foreground". "During Activity" is a very simple phrase whose meaning should be clear. If I say that my kitchen fan should be on "during cooking" that doesn't mean that I will turn the fan off just because I take a 30 second break from cooking to do something else (like look at my phone). In the same way, if certain display mode settings apply "During Activity", just because I switch to another screen *during an activity* doesn't mean that the watch is no longer in the "during an activity" state.

From my pov, in practical and real-world terms, an activity is a session of some exercise like running or basketball. If I temporarily switch to the watchface during a run, it doesn't necessarily mean I stopped running. Even if I stopped running temporarily, it doesn't mean that I'm no longer in the middle of a run.

Same goes for basketball. It's a little different because I don't wear my watch on my wrist during basketball, but I just use wear an HR strap (although I do know some people who wear an apple watch during games). Even if I check my watch in between games, it doesn't mean I'm no longer in the middle of a basketball activity. If someone texts me at this point, I will say "I'm playing basketball" even if I'm not literally in the act of playing basketball at that instant.

but in the night its impossible without light on

It's not impossible at all. Just:

- turn on the gesture in Display > During Activity settings

or

- press the light button.

or

- turn on Keys & Touch in the During Activity Settings

I'm still struggling to understand why you apparently want both of the following things to be true:

- at night, during an activity, the light should not turn on when you look at an activity screen

- at night, during an activity, the light should turn on when you look at a non-activity screen

Is there something magic about activity screens where you don't need a light, as opposed to non-activity screens?

If I am running outdoors at night, I need the backlight to be on when I look at the watch, period. It seems that you don't want to look at activity screens at all? So you want to avoid accidentally lighting up the screen with a gesture while an activity screen is displayed, but when you display a non-activity screen, all of a sudden you want the watch to understand that you need to see the display.

Well, that's what the light button is for.

"If light is so important why I can press the light button? So gesture is bad and pressing good?"

This doesn't make any sense to me. We also already discussed this previously, but the point of the settings is to control what the gesture does, not to control whether the light can be turned on at all. Nobody is saying "gesture is bad and pressing is good" and even if they were, that's a different argument from saying that "During Activity" should not always apply during an activity.

Nobody is saying "light is so important", Garmin is just following the settings that *you* set. It's not Garmin's fault that you think those settings should do something other than they actually do.

As I said before, the point of the gesture setting is to control what the gesture does, not to control whether the light can turn on at all. Obviously it's much easier to accidentally trigger a gesture than it is to accidentally press the light button. In fact, just to look at your watch you normally have to trigger the gesture. You don't have to press the light button to look at your watch. So the light button and the gesture are not comparable at all.

You have a very niche use case where you want the gesture to be disabled for activity screens, but not for non-activity screens (during an activity), because you want to avoid triggering the backlight by accident at night, but only when you're deliberately looking at a non-activity screen during an activity. That's a feature request, not a bug report. I doubt Garmin will ever implement it, unfortunately.

btw, a very simple way to address your use case is to set Display Mode > During Activity > Keys & Touch to On, but set Gesture to Off. This should cover all the bases, if I understand what you want:

- While you do an activity at night, the gesture won't accidentally turn on the light

- When you take *deliberate* action to view another screen (whether it's another activity or a non-activity screen), you have to either use the buttons or touch. In this case, the display will light up

I don't really see any downsides to this, unless I'm not understanding your use case.