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over 1 year ago

404 for URLs in the SDK doc

Hi.

Every now and then, when I have time, I jump on my macbook, and I say, "let's try something out with the Garmin SDK". I'm pretty much sure, I'd need more velocity to overcome such a problems, but here it is:

Under the background services doc page, in the sentence below, both link point to something not existing anymore: "I’ve created a very basic watch face with a background service on the developer forum and included a .zip"

Extra: guys, I've been a developer since 20+ years. I really want to develop something to my Epix gen 2 watch. But every time I start with something, I hit barrier after barrier. Sure, all can be solved after a while, and all SDKs' doc can contain outdated pages, but guys, if you don't do anything about these issues, garmin will soon be the next nokia. If you don't have new devs, you'll have no new QUALITY apps.

Yesterday I "tried" to wear again my apple watch ultra I got recently, but after a day, I just went back to my epix and today I wanted to start to investigate how can I create a more gentle wake up app, because the default one just wakes up everyone in the room, plus it's like someone kicking me out of the bed. I know, the apple watch has a "haptic" something, but I'm sure by creating a kind of vibe sequence, I can have a more gentle wake up experience with the Garmin too. BUT, reading the doc, I just got this frustration again.

I mean, I have a family. This is my hobby time. Why would I invest my hobby time into something that points to the void for long term? This is not the first complaint I read here and I just simply don't get it. Not the Monkey C is the issue, devs will learn it. But the development experience is like 20 years ago for android. This ecosystem needs new devs, Youtube tutorials, examples, a lot and that would push the whole thing to a next level. But I feel like Garmin does not really care about this problem. I've been leading teams and projects since 10 years now and I know, if developers don't like the code environment, they'll just quit.

Am I really the only one feeling this? Sorry for the long mumbling, but I just feel I again spent my spare time in the wrong way.

mudlee
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  • over 1 year ago

    > You may find that in some of the older stuff (the backgrounding one was 6-7 years ago), the links are invalid due to a forum software change.

    Yes the funny thing is that both outbound links from the forum and inbound links to the forum were broken due to the forum platform change, yet nobody cared at the time. It's been mentioned more than once over the years. Content such as images and attachments was also lost.

    There's other CIQ / forum problems which keep coming up over and over again that are never addressed (*). I guess all we can do is either open new bug reports or ignore them.

    (*) One example is the fact that the "New" button still appears a the top of forum threads when you click on the link to the latest post (which appears in the list of topics). This button actually creates a new thread, but most people understandably believe that the button creates a new *reply* to the *current* thread. So what ends up happening is users accidentally create a new thread to ask a question on an existing thread (usually a support thread for a CIQ app), and everyone replies with "you need to post in the thread for CIQ app otherwise nobody will know what app you're talking about". Yeah, they obviously tried to do that, but failed due to a forums usability issue. Sadly, everyone blames the user instead of recognizing that there's a problem with the forums.

    The worst part is Garmin actually tried to fix that issue, but only implemented a partial fix (which removes the New button only for links that target the first post in the thread, not links that target any of the replies.)

    > But I feel like Garmin does not really care about this problem

    IMO this applies to various problems with CIQ, the forums, and the products themselves. Look in the 955/965/Fenix forums to see serious problems with the optical HR that DCR et al will never mention.

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  • over 1 year ago

    > You may find that in some of the older stuff (the backgrounding one was 6-7 years ago), the links are invalid due to a forum software change.

    Yes the funny thing is that both outbound links from the forum and inbound links to the forum were broken due to the forum platform change, yet nobody cared at the time. It's been mentioned more than once over the years. Content such as images and attachments was also lost.

    There's other CIQ / forum problems which keep coming up over and over again that are never addressed (*). I guess all we can do is either open new bug reports or ignore them.

    (*) One example is the fact that the "New" button still appears a the top of forum threads when you click on the link to the latest post (which appears in the list of topics). This button actually creates a new thread, but most people understandably believe that the button creates a new *reply* to the *current* thread. So what ends up happening is users accidentally create a new thread to ask a question on an existing thread (usually a support thread for a CIQ app), and everyone replies with "you need to post in the thread for CIQ app otherwise nobody will know what app you're talking about". Yeah, they obviously tried to do that, but failed due to a forums usability issue. Sadly, everyone blames the user instead of recognizing that there's a problem with the forums.

    The worst part is Garmin actually tried to fix that issue, but only implemented a partial fix (which removes the New button only for links that target the first post in the thread, not links that target any of the replies.)

    > But I feel like Garmin does not really care about this problem

    IMO this applies to various problems with CIQ, the forums, and the products themselves. Look in the 955/965/Fenix forums to see serious problems with the optical HR that DCR et al will never mention.

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