Are you enjoying your Connect IQ enabled device more compared to earlier devices?

I am just curious how other people see this. For me personally, while writing little apps and widgets in Monkey C is kind of fun, the large number of traditional garmin features that have been removed from the fenix 3 and all connect iq devices compared to earlier garmin devices has been a major disappointment and effectively has rendered the devices almost unusable for hiking. On short hikes i would oftentimes use my fenix 2 and keep my oregon 600 in my backpack only to be used in case of serious need. Since I got the fenix 3 and sold my fenix 2 on ebay i found myself reverting back to the oregon exclusively when hiking and only using the fenix 3 for running or as a step counter.

The features I miss most on the f3 (and generally on the new generation of Connect IQ watches) are:

- can't show the gps accuracy in meters as i've been used to for garmin hiking devices of the past 7-8 years
- has a barometer widget that can't switch between baro pressure and atmospheric pressure which would be really useful when stationary for weather prediction as past devices used to have. i can't correct this via connect iq apps because connect iq won't let me take sample pressure at predefined intervals (i.e. 15 mins) to build my chart while the app is offline.
- no longer has a satellite view as i've been used to for garmin hiking devices of the past 7-8 years
- no longer has the ability to import tracks or waypoints automatically from basecamp or basecamp mobile leading to cumbersome ways to import (to currently import a track i have to export it out of basecamp, import into openrunner.com, export out of openrunner, then import to fenix 3!!).
- no longer has a way to properly project a waypoint (the recently made garmin waypoint project app is hilarious as i mentioned in my review of it, to project a waypoint 12km away you would have to press the UP button on the f3 one thousand two hundred times!?!)
- no longer has a way to sort waypoints alphabetically or by distance or search for a waypoint
- no longer has the ability to include waypoint details
- no longer has the stopped time / moving time / moving average speed datafields which i found very useful when hiking.

I saw one of the Garmin moderators mentioning in one forum post that the new 12 inch macbook is also a step back performance-wise in order to facilitate other features and that this is the case here as well, we will have all these great ConnectIQ apps that would make the devices of old look irrelevant but it just takes a bit of time to perfect the API (he mentioned a Connect IQ app that allows the owner to open his garage door with the watch). I find this to be a false analogy, in the case of the 12 inch macbook Apple had an objective reason, in order to make it very slim and fanless they had to drop some hardware components that impact speed/connectivity. In the case of the connect iq watches there was no such hardware dependency.

Since Connect IQ cannot in its current form provide the above features, the right approach Garmin should have employed in my view was to provide all the above as native non-connect IQ features so that I can use my connect iq watch at least as well as I used earlier devices and gradually, as Connect IQ matures, the additional third party apps would come as well. While opening my garage door with the watch could be kind of cool, if given the choice to use the f3 for hiking vs. using it as a garage door opener I'd always choose the first :)

What do other members think? Do you see any valid reasons for Garmin dropping these features? Do you miss them? Would you like to see them come back as native apps?
  • Former Member
    Former Member over 10 years ago
    Good question Bigbadwolf, but not one I can answer, I bought a Fenix 2 SE as successor of a Fenix 1 when the Fenix 3 was already announced. I need features like GPS accuracy in meters and the satellite view to just work, and wasn't sure they would become available as apps or that I could make an app for it myself. That said, if the F3 had been a lot less expensive I would probably have bought one as a second device, just to play with Connect IQ. Even the limited app-building option of the Suunto Ambit 1 was really nice, and I miss that a bit on the F2 (just a bit - because the F2 has so much more native functionality compared to the original Ambit).
  • missing features

    What do other members think? Do you see any valid reasons for Garmin dropping these features? Do you miss them? Would you like to see them come back as native apps?


    I used a 310xt before and missing some of it's features.
    But I don't miss the satelite view, cause the F3 aquires satelites so fast, that I dont nee this ;-)
  • you forget to mention F3 misses:
    - basemap loading from Map Source, many maps of some mountain ranges at once from computer to Fenix2. Very detailed maps with paths and routes that I miss a lot.
  • you forget to mention F3 misses:
    - basemap loading from Map Source, many maps of some mountain ranges at once from computer to Fenix2. Very detailed maps with paths and routes that I miss a lot.



    True Blasbike, the lack of maps is a downgrade as well. I have to say that faced with all the f3 drawbacks I've finally went ahead and placed an order for an Apple watch which combined with a hiking focused app offering offline maps such as Gaia GPS for Apple Watch can be used as a decent day hiking device (in fact in combination with an external power bank such as this to recharge the watch + iphone it could even be possible to use it for multiday hikes). Like so i will finally be able to get GPS accuracy in meters back - who would have thought the day would come when an apple mass market focused device will provide more granular GPS information compared to a supposedly more specialized hiking Garmin device!!

    I think the irony is that while Garmin has moved to ConnectIQ in an attempt to start an Apple-like app ecosystem and increase their products' appeal towards mainstream consumers, by negleting the needs of Garmin's traditional outdoor hiking device users and breaking compatibility with apps like basecamp, the end result will be that instead of attracting more customers, even some of the existing ones such as myself will migrate to Apple. By dropping specialized hiking features they (Garmin) now start to have a problem differentiating their products from the ones of Apple.

    I realize the Apple watch may not be an option for some Garmin users due primarily to lack of waterproofing and limited battery life so I don't expect everyone will just jump ship overnight but the fact that some long term Garmin users such as myself who in the past would have never considered using an apple product vs a garmin one for hiking are now ready to make the switch should give Garmin product managemet some food for thought regarding their current product strategy..