Allow us to set sleep mode from a custom watch face

Just to make sure I understand, are you asking to be able to tell the watch you're going to sleep for sleep tracking purposes?

Brandon, as can be done from the standard activity tracking widget, I'm guessing..

I have "uninstalled" the default activity tracker as use my custom watch face to do the activity tracking. Two problems:

1. The default activity tracker is shown when I'm prompted to move (or when the move alert clears). This makes LITTLE sense as the default activity tracker was "uninstalled". ARGH!
2. Also with the default activity tracker "uninstalled" I now have no way to set sleep mode from a custom watch face.

The old vivoactive firmware didn't use to show the default activity tracker when it was "uninstalled".

Please fix this madness. Ta.

I think your first point has already been discussed in the forums, and it's not directly related to Connect IQ. The activity tracking app and the move alert are features of the vivoactive itself. I don't know whether this has been changed recently, but I'll take your word for it. I can ask around on the vivoactive team to find out whether it has changed, the reasons for the change, and whether there is a way to disable the move alert.

I'll file a request about the ability to control sleep mode. I just wasn't clear whether you were referring to the activity tracking-related sleep mode, or the sleep/wake for watch faces. :)

I just walked down the hall and had a pow-wow with some of my companions on the device teams, and I have a better grasp of what's happening with the move alerts and the wellness tracking features.

On the vivoactive, when you "uninstall" the wellness widget, its not actually removing the wellness tracking widget; it's simply hiding the widget. The device actually continues to track activity behind the scenes. This is why the move alert continues to pop up even after you've hidden the wellness widget. However, on the FR920XT, hiding the wellness widget completely disables all background activity tracking, including sleep tracking.

So, the general consensus right now is that if you intend to do sleep tracking, you should have the wellness widget enabled (enabling all wellness tracking).

Now Rupert, before you get too bent out of shape, I'll mention two things. :)

1. The move alert pop-up that's driving you nuts when the wellness widget is disabled is something that has already been changed in our internal builds. It is not a bug, because it's working as designed, but the vivoactive team decided to change it to behave like our other fitness tracking products which do not pop up move alerts if the fitness tracking widget/page is disabled. I don't know exactly when the change will go public, but I would expect to see it in the 2.70 or 2.80 release for vivoactive.

2. I still intend to file a request to allow Connect IQ watch faces to control sleep tracking. It seems like a reasonable request to me, and is probably something we can support. The real issue is the inconsistency between the way these features are implemented on our devices. For example, if your watch face has a way to control sleep tracking features, but the end user has it installed on a FR920, what happens when they have disabled the wellness widget? These are the sorts of challenges we'll have to address to make this work.

Hopefully you can appreciate that I'm doing my best to accommodate your requests. Unfortunately, there will be compromise in some cases, but I want to take all suggestions seriously.

Thanks!

Hopefully removing the Move Tracking widget wouldn't entirely remove the steps counter too, though to be honest, the Move Alert as it currently stands is so annoying I'd rather have no steps and no alert than to keep steps tracking and be stuck with that hourly alert.

The Move Alert desperately needs some configurability to set things like work periods (along with obeying the preset sleep periods), and/or extending the time from 1 hr to more hours before it triggers, and/or having it stop buzzing me after I've passed my goal for the day. As it is now, I know it's going off at LEAST 8 times a day, every day. Once for every hour I'm at work, despite my running in the morning and having amassed over 15,000 steps before 8am.

The Move alert has nothing to do with getting you to reach your goal. It is related to this research: One Two

Whether that applies to people like you who go for runs before work I do not know. If the move alert is nothing more than an annoyance for you, then activity tracking may not really be a feature for you. Being able to just turn the Move alert off may be a reasonable idea.

Brian. The Forerunner 15 for sure, and I believe also on the vivosmart (I never had one, but it seems tou could hide "move" in the config) allow the user to disable "Move!" alerts, while doing the rest of wellness tracking. In fact, I had it off most of the time with the FR15. It's irritating getting move alerts when you've doubled your goal and try to just sit and watch a movie. :)

I know it's a FW thing to allow for this and not CIQ, but it would be a nice option (I'm a vivoactive user).