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your bizarre perspective seems to actually be in the minority actually - you are in the minority.  Your petty and arrogant insults speak to your naiveté in the 'real world' <smile> It appears your technical knowledge is even smaller? 

I am not unhappy, my Fenix 5x is a fantastic and rugged watch.  But like a self driving car that is built like a tank.....when the software sucks and it crashes and kills folks - intelligent and smart folks usually are called to action and remediation or change.  I am not unhappy as you quip, just disappointed.  (one of your many errors.   

My 'complaint' as with all the rest here is perfectly valid.    The only thing wrong is it falls on deaf (Garmin) and dumb (yours?) ears.  Garmin just cowardly remains silent or doesn't give a crap OR they don't have a clue. (you?) 

The real world you speak of and I have been highly successful in, would say that world class customer service and satisfaction is for every person that you know of that complains or is disappointed there are 50 to 100 that also are but you don't hear from OR your never hear from them again and they go to the competition.  Many see folks trolling the forums acting like experts or dribbling sanctimonious verbiage denigrating or challenging or just attempting to insult folks who are expressing their well founded opinions or disappointments?

Dumbed down... "we see you" Flowstate and understand you for who you are.  <wink>  Have a good weekend!

ThomasJohnLynch said:

your bizarre perspective seems to actually be in the minority actually - you are in the minority.  Your petty and arrogant insults speak to your naiveté in the 'real world' <smile> It appears your technical knowledge is even smaller? 

I'm a software developer in my day job and I've developed several well-reviewed apps for Connect IQ (although they're admittedly niche and I personally don't think they're anything special). I still get requests to update my apps for newer devices, but to be honest, I'm kind of tired of the CIQ ecosystem.

I've done all kinds of software development, from Linux kernel development in embedded systems to modern web apps.

ThomasJohnLynch said:

My 'complaint' as with all the rest here is perfectly valid.    The only thing wrong is it falls on deaf (Garmin) and dumb (yours?) ears.  Garmin just cowardly remains silent or doesn't give a crap OR they don't have a clue. (you?) 

The real world you speak of and I have been highly successful in, would say that world class customer service and satisfaction is for every person that you know of that complains or is disappointed there are 50 to 100 that also are but you don't hear from OR your never hear from them again and they go to the competition.  Many see folks trolling the forums acting like experts or dribbling sanctimonious verbiage denigrating or challenging or just attempting to insult folks who are expressing their well founded opinions or disappointments?

I already said that I don't think your complaint is invalid. Just that I don't think this is the most important problem that Garmin has, and that unfortunately, I don't think they're likely to change their minds because of your comments.

I also said that I actually agree with you in many ways, but you keep missing that part. I have lots of complaints about Garmin myself, but for me personally, this is not near the top of the list. And from my personal experience, most Garmin users don't care about Connect IQ.

I also don't care how successful you are in the real world lol. I'm not here to get in a pissing match. My point about the real world is that the opinions of people in this forum (including me) probably don't reflect the majority of Garmin users.

ThomasJohnLynch said:

I am not unhappy

It sounds like you're unhappy. You said that we are "VICTIMS" and that your next watch will not be a Garmin. You also said that Garmin is "cowardly". You also seem to be ranting (in a self-important, belligerent and slightly unhinged manner), which tbh is the reason I am laughing at you (and not anyone else in this thread). I get it tho - I tend to rant when I'm unhappy with Garmin, too. But do you actually think that saying "shame on you" and calling Garmin "cowardly" will convince them to change their minds? That's the part that's hilarious to me. It's like you think your personal opinion of Garmin matters to them and that you can get what you want by hurling insults.

I'm not trolling or acting like an expert, just providing my own point of view. I know lots of runners who use Garmins and none of them care about Connect IQ. Simple as. This includes people who rock 10 year old watches as well people who just bought a new Garmin. It includes 5 hour marathoners and it includes 2:30 marathoners.

I'm a nobody but let's be honest, so are you. I'm speaking in terms of our importance to Garmin as individual customers.

ThomasJohnLynch said:

doesn't give a crap

This is the explanation right here. Once you realize that no corporation cares about you, including Garmin, Polar, Suunto, Apple, Google, etc, maybe you'll be at peace.

Speaking of bizarreness and being in the minority, you don't have to type <smile> and <wink>, there are emoticons ( :) and ;) ) and emojis (, ) for that. I don't see anyone else posting like that, nor do I see anyone else attempting to insult or shame Garmin into giving them what they want. I'm not even taking a stand on the OP either way, I just think your comments are hilarious. Like how you previously said you don't "care a hoot" about other watches like Apple, but now you're saying you're going to go where the APPS are and your next watch won't be a Garmin. Looks like your only choices are Apple or Wear OS. Make up your mind, though.

FlowState said:

My point about the real world is that the opinions of people in this forum (including me) probably don't reflect the majority of Garmin users.

For example, I love fbbbrown's Dozen Run app. I've used it for years and recommended it to friends who run. Some of them installed it, but the vast majority don't care.

That's just the reality of things. It probably doesn't help that Garmin watches support 6 to 8 data fields per page natively now, so there's fewer reasons to use "single run data fields" today than there were in the past.

But hey, just for you, I pressed the like button on this post. I don't think Garmin will change anything tho, sorry to say.

Reposting this for visibility:

FlowState said:

For anyone who wants to see this change, I would suggest submitting an idea here:

[https://www.garmin.com/en-US/forms/ideas/]

I wish Garmin would maintain a public idea / feature request page like some other companies which allows for sharing and voting. I just submitted an idea for that haha but I doubt Garmin will ever implement it :/.

Obviously these forums are not quite the same thing. The closest thing here is the Connect IQ bug reports section, but that only pertains directly to Connect IQ. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to open a Connect IQ bug report so others could vote for it:

[https://forums.garmin.com/developer/connect-iq/i/bug-reports]

I went ahead and opened a bug report / feature request for this:

[https://forums.garmin.com/developer/connect-iq/i/bug-reports/please-allow-nativenum-fit-fields-to-override-native-fields-in-garmin-connect]

Vote for it if you want to see it fixed.

I agree. I don't run but the same is true for his open swim / swim+ app.  

You are arrogant but I am warming up to your enthusiasm on the topic.  

<smile>   because it works on all platforms and its different.  Marketing 101.    

I was responding to the tone and verbiage in your previous emails.  Fairly condescending with a sprinkle of superior intellect. 

You should reread your own stuff. < insert smiley face because there is no button or short cut on my android phone>  do you recall your quips and remedial instructions on my usage??  ;-)