Device app crashes on shared code with :glance annotation and FW 13.10 for Fenix 6S Pro and 6X

I have two CIQ store apps which share the same codebase -- one of them is a device app and the other is a widget.

For this reason, some of the code shared with the device app has the :glance annotation, even though the device app itself does not support glances (obviously).

The ERA tool shows that the device app crashed 3 times since January on a line which looks like this:

appName = WatchUi.loadResource(Rez.Strings.AppName);

This is in the initialize() function of a shared class which happens to have the :glance annotation because both the device app and the widget need it.

However, Rez.Strings.AppName is *not* a shared resource. In the widget, it naturally has the property scope="glance". In the device app, it does not (because I assumed that all glance-related annotations and properties would simply be ignored in the device app.)

The devices/firmware that crashed are:

Devices:
fÄ“nixÂ® 6S Pro / 6S Sapphire / 6S Pro Solar / 6S Pro Dual Power: 13.10
fÄ“nixÂ® 6 Pro / 6 Sapphire / 6 Pro Solar / 6 Pro Dual Power / quatixÂ® 6: 13.10

As far as I can tell, the latest firmware for Fenix 6 Pro watches is 11.10. (From looking at devices.xml).

EDIT: After looking at Fenix 6 forum more closely, I see that 13.10 was actually released for Fenix 6.

Then again, the latest public beta firmware for Fenix 6 is 15.20, according to the Garmin forums.

I wonder if this implies that Fenix 6 Pro series will be getting CIQ 4 support (which will have device apps that support for glances.). Is 13.10 an internal version for testing CIQ 4?

I also wonder if this means that we need to fix existing apps which may have the :glance annotation so that they don't crash on CIQ 4 devices. (When they're finally released).

Or is something else going on here which I'm missing? I can easily add scope="glance" to the AppName string in my device app, but I'm curious about I will be required to do so once whatever changes these go live.

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jim_m_58 over 5 years ago in reply to flowstate +1

15.20 is released.

See

forums.garmin.com/.../software-15-20-gps-5-00
jim_m_58 over 5 years ago in reply to flowstate +1

As it's a WW device and the FW is kind of old, I don't think I'd worry about it unless it happens with new FW. If you get contacted, suggest a FW update.

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jim_m_58 over 5 years ago

What are the languages do you see, as 13.10 could be the APAC and the languages are a good way to spot APAC. If not, some people just avoid FW updates if what they have is working

flowstate over 5 years ago in reply to jim_m_58

eng, ita, pol

The thing is there's no "1310" in compiler.json. I only see "500" and "1110" (for CIQ 3.1.6/APAC and 3.2.0/WW respectively).

I'm just concerned about firmware changes which break backwards compatibility. (Although this is clearly an edge case.)

flowstate over 5 years ago in reply to flowstate

Also, I'm more curious about the possible implications for CIQ 4 and Fenix 6 Pro....

jim_m_58 over 5 years ago in reply to flowstate

Per the vConference in Oct, the f6 devices won't be getting CIQ 4. No 3.x devices will.

https://forums.garmin.com/developer/garmin-developer-virtual-conference-2020/

It's in one of the green sessions, unless it came up during the Q&A parts that weren't recorded.

flowstate over 5 years ago in reply to jim_m_58

Yes, you have posted that multiple times.

I'm just curious why I have a device app that's crashing on internal/unknown firmware for Fenix 6 Pro seemingly due to the fact that some code in the app has a :glance annotation and tries to access a resource without glance scope.

It's circumstantial evidence that raises questions...

flowstate over 5 years ago in reply to flowstate

I'll point to this DCR comment (which is a discussion you were involved with)

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2021/02/garmin-enduro-gps-watch-in-depth-review.html

Jim, your sure about that? I heard them hint that only devices in 2021 would get 4. But I didn’t ever hear them say that nothing that gets 3.X will ever get 4. Can you share a specific video and timestamp? I’ve watched a lot of those videos and like I said, never heard that.

Ok, circling back on the CIQ4/Enduro question, I got an answer today. Or more specifically, I managed to unlock the rare “no answer” achievement: “We can’t address that question right now, but if anything changes, we’ll let you know.”

It sounds to me like Garmin is reserving the right to change their minds....

jim_m_58 over 5 years ago in reply to flowstate

Is it an APAC device? And only APAC devices? Like I said a quick way to tell is the languages in the ERA. If it's Chinese, it's APAC, along with others like Korean, etc.

flowstate over 5 years ago in reply to jim_m_58

I already answered your question:

flowstate said:
eng, ita, pol

And as I pointed out, WW is on 11.10 and APAC is currently on 5.00, according to compiler.json.

And the beta firmware for Fenix 6 is 15.XX, according to the forums.

Whether it's an APAC device or WW, something strange is still going on. I just want to know if I have to worry about glances in device apps for existing devices or not.

jim_m_58 over 5 years ago in reply to flowstate

Remember what you're looking at in compiler.json is the minimum version. Not always the current version and often not, so apps can be built for older firmware version. If the min is 11.10 that really means 11.10 or greater.

Go by what's posted in the product forum if you want to find the latest version. (it can change pretty often.)

flowstate over 5 years ago in reply to jim_m_58

Fair enough, thanks! After looking more closely at the Fenix 6 forum, it looks like 13.10 is a legit version (and 15.xx is the latest beta version), so I will have to conclude this an odd sort of bug, which would be especially disturbing if 13.10 isn't supposed to support glances for device apps.