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955 daily suggestions

jsmyth1969
over 1 year ago

About a month ago I decided to try out the "Daily Suggestions" feature.  I had just recovered from 3 days of Covid so wasn't surprised to be prompted for Recovery runs for a few days (in fact I quite enjoyed running so slowly :-))  Finally after 2 weeks of recovery runs I was prompted to do a run of 1:42:00 @ 5min/km.  A bit of a jump I thought, but I did it anyway as I wanted to see what happened next.

What did happen next was since then to today, only recovery runs (another 2 weeks or so).  If I look at the training menu I can see that tomorrow is another recovery and the day after tomorrow will be a long run (1:12:00).  Except it wont because (based on experience), after a recovery run tomorrow, Saturday will turn into a recovery run.

Clearly something is going wrong here.

vo2 max is 51 - down from 52 last month

training status: unproductive: vo2 decreasing, HRV balanced, Acute load optimal

training readiness low (44) 18 hours recovery and poor sleep

Do I understand correctly my recovery runs and poor sleep (last night I scored 78 which is quite good for me) mean that I am stuck in a recovery loop?  Is there other factors or metrics I should be looking at to allow me go go running again?  BTW covid was the end of my ironman training - I was doing up to 15 hours run/bike/swimming per week so current level of only running feels ridiculously low....

thanks for input

j

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  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Etupes25

    Thx again. Low on stress, at the beginning of a day Body Battery between 90 and 100 out of 100. Sleep is staying behind a bit, but still 91/100. Training readiness 96/100. Still this is the training load graph at the momentthe watch switched the plan again to 30-40min base training for upcoming days (pace 6.05/km)

    I will try a LTHR test again today

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to DaKo

    OK, update. Because of bad weather conditions no new test has been done. But I got a good night sleep and stayed on the couch two days. Apparently it gave me a boost, because the weekschedule stayed nearly the same. After two days rest still VO2max-run stayed in the schedule, and slightly more intense then originally. Now for 4 days in a row also my long run of 1h26m next Sunday stays in the schedule. I start to think my bad sleep had more impact on the schedule than I would have expected.

    Today I ran my VO2max with 4 times 4 minutes @4.35. It should bring me 2.8 aerobic training and 2.0 anaerobic. With a success percentage of 95% the final result was 3.7 Aerobic and 0,4 Anaerobic. Does that mean the interval was more easy for me than Garmin expected on beforehand? That would confirm my feeling that the LTHR still is to low.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to DaKo
    DaKo said:
    It should bring me 2.8 aerobic training and 2.0 anaerobic. With a success percentage of 95% the final result was 3.7 Aerobic and 0,4 Anaerobic. Does that mean the interval was more easy for me than Garmin expected on beforehand?

    It means that the watch estimated that your covered most of the oxygen needed to complete the intervals with respiration. It could be because the intervals were not intense enough, that your ventilation model is optimistic or that the target pace was associated to a heart rate that is too low vis a vis the HR Max.

    A 3.7 aerobic means you impacted positively your aerobic fitness…did you end up with a VO2 Max workout label?

    At any rate, these results do not tell us something is horribly wrong.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Etupes25

    Yes, it gave me the VO2Max label. So that is good isn't it? Let us see if the weekly schedule keeps unchanged coming days.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to DaKo
    DaKo said:
    So that is good isn't it?

    yes it tells us your models are not way off. How is your race prediction?

    note. FWIW, it seems the daily suggestions are changing less day to day with the latest beta.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Etupes25

    Race prediction for 10k is now at 46:46. So slightly better, moving the right direction. But in 4 weeks I certainly will not improve towards 4:00/km

    From 29th of July I am entering the Peak phase of my training plan. Curious about that...

  • 0 over 1 year ago

    Like you, I have been following the daily suggestions.  It has slowed me right down from how I normally train and likely for the better.  Like a lot of people intended in the past to run hard every run.  

    What I have noticed is that my vo2 max decreased really quickly as I started to follow the daily suggestions. It went from 55 (on garmin 645) to 52 on the 965.  It’s had plateaued there ever since.  A flatline of 52.  Sometimes it’s excellent and other times superior.  I must be around 52.5 and below.  

    Now I know the training has been tough and I generally run my hard workouts harder than stated.  I am much fitter now than I was 2 months ago.  Base runs are faster as I do them by heart rate and tempo/threshold are easier than they were.  

    As I’m in a plateau I decided to do an all out 5k. Race predictor reckoned 20.15 and I did it in 20.08 (wanted under 20 :-( though I did my fastest mile ever at 5.50 and likely why I failed the attempt.  Too fast of a start ).  The result I went from 52 superior to 52 excellent.   

    What I can say is that either my fitness is a placebo or the watch has some duff data. In all honesty I would like to see a bigger number but from feel I know I am fitter.  

    Like others have said my threshold is always updating and my max hr seems correct at 186. My all out 5k say values of 182 to 184 with a presumably incorrect spike of 186.   I discounted that.  

     Not sure what to make of the watch, the race predictions are on the money and perhaps the vo2 max flatline is as well   I will see what happens in the coming months   

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to bigdwazda
    bigdwazda said:
    the race predictions are on the money

    this is a tell tale sign that (a) you followed a balanced training (b) your HR and pace data is up to snuff and (c) your VO2 Max and HR Max are accurate.

    bigdwazda said:
    my max hr seems correct at 186. My all out 5k say values of 182 to 184

    Yep, that works.

    bigdwazda said:
    It went from 55 (on garmin 645) to 52 on the 965.

    Maybe not what you would like to hear, but I’d bet the 965 number is more accurate, just took a while to get down to its value as Garmin seems to have added some dampening in the rate of change (some trailing average?).

    You may have reached the full potential of your VO2Max for your level of training, genes and age. Pushing higher will require more training intensity and volume that might be doable for you or not.

    Even if VO2Max doesn’t increase, there come an age when maintaining it is already an achievement.

    Also, increasing your VT1 and VT2 as a % of your VO2 Max can provide as much dividend as increasing your VO2 Max itself: better efficiency and ability to process lactate. For example leading marathoniens run their race at about 90% of the VO2peak to get to 2h!

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Etupes25

    I had a feeling that the vo2 max algorithm had changed,  it fell off a cliff when I got the 965.  As you say the race predictor is on the money and is slightly slower than my best efforts.  My 645 was a ways off with those predictions.  At least for 5 and 10k.  
    I have put a fake 5k race in to see if I get some more hardcore efforts.  That said, I pretty much know what type of workouts to do now and how base, threshold etc feel so I can begin with my own plan based on how I feel that day.  

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to DaKo

    And again, my schedule switched completely last night (from --> to).

    Treshold 37 minutes @4.50 --> Base 75 minutes @6.05

    Recovery 28 minutes @6.55 --> Base 39 minutes @6.05

    Long distance run  1h26 @6.05 --> Base 42 minutes @6.05

    Base 33 minutes @6.05 --> Tempo 48 minutes @5.05

    Base 33 minutes @6.05 --> Recovery 28 minutes @6.55

    How on earth can I manage my agenda in this way?