955 daily suggestions

Maybe listen to your body and ignore the Garmin until you're back to your normal training volume/routine. 

The daily suggestions are always trying to optimize the workouts to get you to a balanced training and an optimal training load. Other parameters included in training readiness and overall periodization, with a race scheduled, are also taken into account, but the first 2 ones seems the most influential.

The watch will make sure there is enough training load "room" left before suggesting a harder workout. So if your recovery runs are not really recovery but base, or if you train with other activities that add to your training load more than expected by running only, you might not leave enough training load room, and the watch will push out the harder workouts.

This is assuming that your VO2 Max "model/data" is good. If it is not good, you will have compounding issues like mismatch between workouts and training effect/workout labels, inappropriate pace targets for the workouts and wrong raining load, focus and recovery values. If your race predictions are good, then your VO2 Max model & data are OK.

Yeah, similar wondering here. In the beginning of the week, always a longer run is scheduled for the upcoming Sunday (I set Sundays as the long-run-day). but by Thursday the schedule has changed to short basic runs for the rest of the week. Never had a long run on Sundays. And I am in the lower part of the training load, so there should be room enough.

My PR 10km is 42.50. To challenge myself I put in a race 13 weeks ahead with target 40.00. By following the suggestions, I do not even come close. Prediction is 47 minutes now :-(  And 5 weeks of training left.

Maybe my relative short sleeps are disturbing the schedule?

DaKo said:

Prediction is 47 minutes now

DaKo said:

My PR 10km is 42.50

This is a sign that there are issues with your training data and/or your VO2 Max estimates. Are you successful at getting the workout labels that you expect from the daily suggestions? When the watch shows a training suggestion, it shows the expected Training Effect component. Are you getting those after execution?

yes I match them perfectly. The only thing that gives me a hard time is the slowly-ness. I have to run at 6.05/km, But I tend to run to fast (gosh, I wonder why...). Today I tried my best and had an average of 5.59 :-) Today score was 98%. Should be base training, and it was. Heartbeat average 137 (my max is 194). LTHR is 168 (4.53/km). Since I follow training suggestions, my VO2Max dropped from 51 to 49. It is now climbing again, but very slow. I guess I am not able to do my PR at the moment because of the decrease in training, but 45 minutes should still be within reach.

DaKo said:

Should be base training, and it was. Heartbeat average 137 (my max is 194). LTHR is 168 (4.53/km)

It is a good sign that the base training was deemed a base training. The ratio of your average HR to the max looks OK. The ration of the LTHR to the max is on the lower side (typically 90-92%) but nothing to really worry about.

Did you perform a LTHR test recently? It is possible that the watch is lacking HR/Pace data pairs in the higher range of effort (Threshold, Anaerobic, Sprints) to give you good predictions. Next time the suggestion is one of those workouts ignore the suggested pace and run a maximal but steady effort for the requested interval length. Also, walk for rest intervals instead of slowing down. This will damage your execution score, but provide clean-cut high intensity data to the watch.

We'll see whether the workout label is still as expected.

Over a couple of weeks, you should see your VO2 Max model and race predictions improve in terms of accuracy, not necessarily up :-)

Note that Garmin has added some dampening in the VO2 Max changes, so it crawls in either direction instead of jumping by a point or so after each qualifying run.

Other than that, you are in good shape to get accurate daily suggestions. So I am not sure what is holding the watch back. Maybe the overall periodization is favoring base runs at this point.

Thx Etupes25, I really appreciate your responses.

I agree the LTHR feels a bit low. Previously I have set it manually to 174bpm. But I wanted to switch to Garmin's training suggestions and automatic registration of LTHR and Max HR, so I bought a strap and did the first LTHR test.I believe it was somewhere around 153/154. The maximum pace in that first test was also very easy for me. It gave me terribly low training schedules. A week after, autodetection gave me a higher LTHR, somewhere just below 160. As I thought a 2nd LTHR test would be based on the increased figure to give me a higher test pace, I did test it again 3 weeks ago. And yes, the test was more intense (not my maximum still), and LTHR went to 165. Last weeks it went up in two steps to 168 by autodetect.

All in line with your assumption/expectation above. In the current training plan I hardly get training sessions which could trigger the auto-detection. So the solution might be to do another LTHR test again, don't you think?

By the way, according to my trainingplan I am in the last week of the "Build" phase of my training: increasing intensity to grow aerobe capacity. But past weeks, I think it decreased instead. Next week I start with the Peak phase. LOL

jsmyth1969 Sorry I sort of took over your thread:-) But I recognise parts of your description in my own training schedules. Re you still with us here?

Not an issue - glad to have helped :-)

FWIW I am approaching 6 years of a running streak - the watch isnt going to stop that.  I am going to continue with the suggested activity though, at least until I get really bored

DaKo said:

So the solution might be to do another LTHR test again, don't you think?

I don't trust the LTHR auto-detection unless the workout is a threshold workout with at least 15mn in the threshold pace or power zone. I have experienced many workouts (in particular interval trainings) where the auto-detect gave me an updated (typically lower) threshold, just to be contradicted by a new test or threshold workout. On the other hand, the built in threshold test is very good as it uses a traditional ramp approach.

A new LTHR test could update your threshold values and this is good since you typically run a 10k at threshold pace or slightly faster (maybe 15s/mile faster for a well trained runner), but I doubt this is the issue with your slow daily suggestions. I am running out of ideas of why they behave like they are holding back on intense trainings. Maybe you have a period of high stress? How is your body battery behaving?

I am worried that you are not getting the type of workouts you need for a 10k. If I were you, I would switch to a Garmin Coach plan to pick this up. These are based on a benchmark run and will make sure you have a balanced training focus. In turn, you should see your race predictions become more accurate, in addition to a level of confidence in your ability to improve your PR.