New 965 - Is it a joke ?

At least the firmware is likely the same so the sorting of issues could possibly improve with a wider audience ...I can hope....and they have said (according to DCR) that the additional software features will be ported to the 955.  

There is any advantages excepts amoled display. The same functions, same software (with graphics overlay) - probably same bugs :D 

In my opinion the biggest joke is price differences between markets - in EU 650€ vs 600$. FR965 was supposed to cost what FR955 solar, meanwhile, in my country(PL), I will have to pay 663€ (FR 965), where FR955 solar costs 550€(standard price everywhere). Novelty tax at 17% :)))

(FR265 more expensive than FR 955 in white edition, black the same price)

You should think about it as 955 AMOLED eg. 945 LTE.

It was funny that they didn't think 945 LTE was enough to call it 955, but now they think that changing display is enough to call that 965.

But based on Garmin's profit numbers, I think the reason is there.

I think the joke is on us buying a device, and then hoping Garmin will fix the bugs in the software. It seems to me Garmin is having all the resources geared toward new devices. The new updates in firmware are getting worse with every release, so I gave up on updating the watch and stuck with 13.22; it is not great but I don't have to deal with the new bugs introduced. As buying a new Garmin, is not going to happen any time soon, no matter how many new devices they will release. 

Guys . Stop deceiving yourself.

It's not 955+.

It's 965.

965 means a new iteration .

So your brand new 955 will be keep receiving silly broken new features (and adding new bugs) for one year... And then it's over.

Maybe you thinking "... So as the 955 it's full of bugs.. I will buy the 965"

You are wrong. 965 will be unusable too.

That is Garmin strategy.

New hardware every year with minor improvements... Running on buggy software forcing users to upgrade.

Surely if you find your 955 that bad.. you should return it for a refund? I have had the odd issue with the 955, but generally love it and I am very happy. Posts on a forum are very biased towards problems (its why people hunt out a forum, and will post about problems). If you compare those complaining about issues with those who have bought the watch and are happy, 'bumps' is probably overplaying and not underplaying the issues

Yeah, I'm sure stuff like the borked LTH auto detection is working great for 90% of the users. Just somehow on this forum, there hasn't been a SINGLE confirmed case of this feature actually working during the last few weeks.

Sure my friend, keep on shillin'. 

yes - thats the one issue that I am having problems with. But 90% of my use case is running ~60 miles a week, quality maps, music and battery with nav lasting enough for an ultra marathon. For those things, the 955 is great. If you are that unhappy, get a refund and move to Suunto or Corus.

And that's the point. You, and 90% of users, don't care about anything else aside from basic GPS tracking (at least that is working ok...for now). Fine.

If you don't use other features of the watch, fine. Others want to actually use the ADVERTISED features of the watch and it bothers them if half of them are seriously bugged one way or another.

Maybe show a little gratitute to this forum. The LTH bug, which by your own admission is also relevant for you, would have never been discovered if not for the users here and their active investigation of the issue. 

Regarding the refund: Sure, can you point me to Garmin's public announcement where they said they will offer no-questions-asked refunds for their watches with botched firmware? Oh, they don't plan to do anything like that? What a surprise...

It's not easy to get a refund on 6 months old watch based on difficult to explain and dynamic firmware issues. Both Garmin and the vendor I bought from will probably fight tooth and nail to deny me that refund. Rest assured I will try though.