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Are suggested wkouts based on sleep too?

patk
over 4 years ago

bello

On my f6x the workouts are based on bbatt, sleep and previous workouts...

Does the f945 do the same and if so does this means that sleep is now fbeat?

Thanks

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to tess

    Ok but is it calculated on watch or phone app?

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to patk

    On the 945 it's currently through Garmin Connect on your phone.  If or when the widget with the onboard calculation comes is best answered by Garmin.  The last I read from a Garmin rep was the widget for the 945 is on hold until further notice. 

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to tess

    Maybe processing power onboard ?

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to tess

    ok but do you get a sleep score and insight with sleep on app,

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to tess

    I don't know. I've always thought that the non-device one is a Garmin one, not Firstbeat.

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/06/garmin-shows-off-new-on-device-sleep-tracking-widgets.html

    "So what’s the ramification of this change? Usually, I’d say that having Firstbeat metrics is typically better than homebrew metrics, since Firstbeat has far more experience in this realm, and often does actual validations of their metrics (and publishes whitepapers). Whereas most times wearable companies spitball the data and hope it works."

    Ray seems to also think the same.

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to patk

    I've made this post on a few threads, but just to give it more visibility I'll re post it; 

    "While preparing to release our new on-device sleep algorithm on Forerunner devices we found that some beta testers had more accurate results on the previous versions. As a result, we have removed the feature to further review results so our customers can ultimately have the best sleep algorithm experience. We are actively testing and verifying the algorithm on a wider audience and hope to release a public beta in the coming months. Thank you all for your patience as we continue to make improvements and listen to your feedback."
    It will be made available to the Forerunner 945, the Forerunner 745, and the Forerunner 245 series. I can only speak on the Forerunner series devices, as that is the department that I work in. 
    Regarding it's impact on the daily suggested workout there is no direct impact; the metrics involved are Training Status, Training Load, and Vo2 Max value.
    • Training Status - the effectiveness of the workouts
    • Training Load - Where in the weekly cycle you are
    • VO2 Max - Difficulty level of the workout

    Now these workouts will give you a range, (for example mine wants a 32 minute recovery effort @ 7:45. Without going into the workout that range is going to be somewhere around 8:00 to 7:30. 

    Once the sleep widget is there providing a score of your sleep, (you can also use body battery for this same purpose) you can determine to what end of that range you should perform to. My body battery currently is at 64, if I were to go run right now, it would probably be at the faster range of that zone because I have a problem with running faster than I should. If my body battery were in say the 25-35 range I would for sure run on the slower end of the zone. 

    Another insight to sleep the sleep widget is how hard you are training. If you are not getting quality sleep your training status will go unproductive. My current status: Your training load is at a good level, but your fitness is decreasing. Your body may be struggling to recover, so be sure to pay attention to your overall health including stress, nutrition and rest.

    With more information on sleep we'll have a better understanding of what of those three metrics are causing our status to go awry. Currently the all day stress widget/body battery are good identifiers for stress. Nutrition can be tracked through Garmin Connect and My Fitness Pal linking together, and the sleep widget will provide more information on the quality of sleep. I would through one more into the equation of gear, (my shoes are on 500 plus miles at this point naturally as your shoes deteriorate their performance level dips, hence purchasing new shoes). With the addition of the sleep widget it will be possible to track four factors that go hand in hand with training.