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Improvement of the new forum?

Some time ago, we got that new forum. Promised was a better user experience.

Am I the only one, who thinks, that things really get worse then before? The non-usability really put me off. 

  • I think, like you, we all just wanted the old forum but it actually works. This thing is hurting my eyes to look at. Off center, no lines, odd parsing of info, Threads leaking into other threads. This wasn't much of an improvement. I'd be happy with a dark theme at least!. It's so much white!

  • It seems like it tries to be “question / answer” database and not a forum

    This is exactly what it is. I'm guessing someone at Garmin thought the new format could be used to reduce the cost of providing support - maybe they were getting a lot of "RTFM" type questions at the support email?.

    The flaw in that line of thinking is that isn't what a discussion forum is for.

    There will always be people who waste support's time with dumb questions - and they're not likely to use a forum.

    TL;DR: the old forum was geared to power-users. The new forum is designed to offload support questions, and just gets in power-users' way.

  • TL;DR nobody cares about power users anymore, and from every company's POV, forums are for reducing the cost of support. I wish Garmin had used NodeBB, which is a modern forum platform for power users....

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    While I agree with everything you said, the only reason companies like Garmin (and Microsoft, Apple, etc.) even have forums is to reduce the cost of support. They save $$$ when users support each other -- period. Which is why I've argued that we are actually doing Garmin a favour by using the forums and not the other way around.

    The fact that they got rid of the top-level general discussion forums for running, cycling and swimming does reinforce the idea that they want this to be about user-to-user support and nothing else. Every remaining sub-forum (outside of the developer forum) is directly related to a Garmin product.

    And look at how runnersworld dumped their forums and switched to FB groups. So they basically threw away years of interesting threads (some of which were years-long) and traded for a platform that really can't handle any discussion longer than a few days or a few dozen replies. Because companies don't feel like spending their money giving users a place to talk to each other, when they can just use a huge, lowest-common-denominator platform for free.

    I think the old forum platform had a ton of problems, including outdated aesthetics (*), terrible mobile usability, slowness, and tons of bugs. There were 3-4 ways to post images and none of them worked properly.

    (*) This is actually strongly related to usability, especially on mobile. Old forums with a lot of distracting UI elements are harder to use IMO, and the wasted space used by some of these elements makes them harder to use on mobile.

    However, the new forum "fixed" some of these problems by dumbing-down and removing features to the point of uselessness. Try browsing a long thread with hundreds of replies now -- with infinite scroll and no way to randomly jump to a given point in the thread or save your position, you're likely to give up after 30 seconds. No different than trying to read FB, Twitter, IG or Disqus threads with 100s or 1000s of replies. It's built that way by design -- to be "simple" at the cost of functionality, and to hide any content that isn't new or highly upvoted.

    You can't even search within a single thread anymore. The new forum was def not made with long discussions in mind.

    I've said this before, but I wish Garmin had looked at a modern forum platform like NodeBB which is obviously aimed at power users, while still being mobile-first and having social features (upvotes/downvotes). It's got infinite scroll (with the option of pagination), but it also has a nav bar so you can jump to any position in the discussion and save your position easily, even when using infinite scroll (I wish every "infinite scroll" site/app had this). It also has both pseudo-threaded /nested reply view combined with linear view, so you can see replies in chronological order. And it works well on mobile. I've seen discussions on NodeBB-powered forums that have 10k posts, and it works well. Good luck skimming through anything over a few dozen posts on this platform.

    And for some reason, this platform loses features on mobile, which is strange for a supposedly modern platform. And ironically, some of the features (like quoting or posting code), are overly-complicated or restrictive. 

    Oh and features like reply notifications don't even seem to work (or maybe they're deliberately disabled?) which makes the forum even harder to use.

  • Is there a way to get notifications if anyone posts on a thread you have contributed to, or the thread you have started? I can't find a way to do this, so I have to come back and hunt and peck through the various topics and the jumbled lists of contributions :-/

  • "And for some reason, this platform loses features on mobile, which is strange for a supposedly modern platform."

    What features are there to be lost, seems pretty featureless on the PC as is :-/

    "the only reason companies like Garmin (and Microsoft, Apple, etc.) even have forums is to reduce the cost of support. They save $$$ when users support each other -- period. "

    I don't understand how changing the forums to something less usable saves Garmin money? I'm ok with user-to-user help (that's what's the case in most forums anyway) as long as the forum is usable. Whether Garmin decides to monitor or participate in the discussions is always up to them in either case.

    In any case, this is really disappointing. Very little functionality here.

  • Ah .. thanks! First I thought this just looks like the forum, then I realized it's based on my user name. That helps.

    There still doesn't seem to be a way to be notified, is there, or am I not seeing that?

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 6 years ago in reply to Levon

    nope...whatever settings you change you get no notifications on new post or replies

    only thing working that I know of is when your user name gets mentioned or from private messages

    should give you a notification at least here on PC running firefox

  • Right you are :)  thank you so much Former Member

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 6 years ago in reply to Levon

    working