HRM600 - Unusual peaks with impact on Garmin Run Coach

Recently I do have Base-Runs in my Garmin Run Coach Training with unusal heart peaks. If it occurs it is often just for less than 60s. If it happens in the first 10 minute it can last for longer. 

The belt sits tight. I always make it wet with water before wearing it. 

I do have the impression that they are wrong measurements. Sometimes a Base-Run is recognized with anerob effort. It is an issue for me because Garmin Run Coach adapts the next training based on this. 

Any ideas how to fix this?

  • First of all, I would analyze a FIT file of an activity where it happened, with Fitfileviewer, and verify there whether the the wrong signal really comes from the HRM - comparing the charts "wrist heart rate", "external heart rate", and "heart rate" (the resulting data) will reveal it. If the Data Source Switching option is enabled (and on some watches even when disabled), it can happen that the watch uses the wrist HR for a period of time (for example when the HRM disconnects, or sends unexpected data).

    You can also detect some of these issues by looking at the Respiration Rate graph in Connect. If there are any gaps, then the connection between HRM and the watch did not work during those periods.

    If the wrong signal comes rather from the wrist sensor, then either disabling the Data Source Switching (in Sensors & Accessories), or disabling the wrist HR completely by assigning the Jacket Power Mode to the concerned activity profile would prevent switching to the wrist HR.

    And if the wrong data really comes from the strap, then I would assure HRM 600 is fully charged before using it, and I also recommend using a bit of conductive gel for ECG electrodes. You can buy a tube of it in most pharmacies. I've bought mine a few years ago for some 3€, and despite using it several times per week, it is still half full.

  • Thank you for this.

    With a look at the resperation rate graph I can see matches with the unusual heard rate. I even could see additonal gaps in the respiration rate graph and identified additonal issues in hear rate graph. 16 gaps of different duration in 55 minutes. 

    I will try a gel. Battery shouldn't be the issue.

  • I started using coductive gel. There might be an improvement but not a significant one.

    I did 13 runs of 40 minutes to 2 hours.

    Two third of it do show issues within the first 10 minutes.

    Issues are a peak in heart rate with a duration of app. 50s.

    In Android-app there is a resperation rate graph at this time but an odd one.

    In web browser there is a gap in resperation rate graph.

    In cases when the duration of the issue is longer than 50s it does rate it as an anerob run. This impacts the derived personal performance and the suggested training of Garmin Coach for the next day.

    Frankly speaking, I do have doubts that the Garmin-devices are worth the value. Wrist sensors you can't trust at all and obviously it is the case for the most expensive HRM600 as well.

  • Wrist sensors you can't trust at all and obviously it is the case for the most expensive HRM600 as well.

    You may just be unlucky to have a defective device. Personally, I get very accurate data from both sensors - as well from the wrist sensor as from HRM 600. I compare both sources frequently, and they are almost always closely identical, practically undistinguishable. And I compare the data also with other HRMs, so am pretty sure, the data is accurate. Have a look below for an example from today's run. The red (wrist HR) and blue (HRM 600) curves are practically identical, an overlapping exactly ~99.9% of the time. You have to zoom to the max to see some really tiny differences, which are unavoidable due to the delay between the electrical and optical signals. So for me, both the watch standalone, as well as the strap are perfect, and I cannot confirm your conclusion.

    If you post a sample FIT file of one of your activities, demonstrating the problem, I can try to analyze it, and guess where the problem could be coming from. Perhaps it is not at all the strap that has a problem, but rather the watch. Or some CIQ app, draining the CPU, and causing the drop out is also a possibility.

  • Thank you very much for your offer and support.

    Battery level: Fenix 8 > 30% HRM600 75% 

    Meaningless heart rate: 01:00 to 04:26, 06:00 to 06:35, 49:00 to 49:26 and other less obvious.

    Some drops in heart rate that look suspicious eg. at 5:51 I was running downwards

    And a link to the FIT-file:  Fenix 8 Run-20260205.zip (hope that works)

    Pace slower than 6:00/km and faster than 05:25 are GPS-issues - more than usual today - no buildings or none arround, just cloudy 

    New fun fact: Today Fenix 8 told me that I ended my sleep at 2:58AM and moved the planned training from today to tomorrow. It lost just 3+hours of sleep. This was the first time in 10 months. Metal strap instead of silcone one last night but not the first time. 

  • Thank you very much for your offer and support.

    Heart With Resperation Rate

    Heart Rate in Red

    Resperation Rate in Gray 

    Battery level: Fenix 8 > 30% HRM600 75% 

    Meaningless heart rate: 01:00 to 04:26, 06:00 to 06:35, 49:00 to 49:26 and other less obvious.

    Some drops in heart rate that look suspicious eg. at 5:51 I was running downwards

    Pace slower than 6:00/km and faster than 05:25 are GPS-issues - more than usual today - no buildings or none arround, just cloudy 

    New fun fact: Today Fenix 8 told me that I ended my sleep at 2:58AM and moved the planned training from today to tomorrow. It lost just 3+hours of sleep. This was the first time in 10 months. Metal strap instead of silcone one last night but not the first time. 

  • And a link to the FIT-file

    Unfortunately, the zip archive is empty. It has only 22 bytes.

  • Interesting thought about data source switching. I've just raised a ticket with Garmin with speculation that source switching is faulty.....

    Scenario : I was dual recording a treadmill run to my Epix Pro Gen 2 and Fenix 6X Pro, with heart rate data to both from my HRM 600. The Fenix did a great job with respiration rate. The Epix failed completely - massive gaps and flat lines. External heart rate data was a perfect match between both watches, no dropouts or spikes and the wrist heart rate recorded by the Epix was a very close match to the external strap. So great input data to both watches, but terrible calculations by the Epix. I can only conclude that the Epix completely messed up source data switching, without justification.

    I've now disabled source data switching.

    Today I recorded indoor bike with the Epix and HRM 600 off wrist and respiration was perfectly calculated.

    Garmin Support has requested a file dump from both watches. Hopefully they will be able to confirm my suspicion.

  • Sorry! Another try: 21775138255_ACTIVITY.fit

    Yes, it looks better. Below, there is the comparison of the HR from the wrist sensor, and from the external HRM.

    As you can see, the values from both sensors are pretty much identical, except of the periods corresponding to the Respiration Rate dropouts, but even then the difference is not dramatic. However, although I am pretty sure the HR from the strap was more accurate, the watch (using the HR Data Source Switching) gave the priority to the internal wrist sensor, and that's why it stopped recording also the Respiration Rate.

    You can avoid that the watch resorts to the less accurate wrist HR, by disabling the source switching in Wrist HR settings, in Sensors & Accessories. That should take care of the respiration rate dropouts. On the other hand, it won't really help with the issue from the OP. The peaks of high HR are present with both sensors, so I'd tell it is practically certain that your heart rate was really increased.