Why is navigation on Edge so complicated and poor? ‍

Good morning everyone! I recently bought a Garmin Edge 1040 and it's a fantastic bike computer! However, I'm on vacation these days and I'm having a lot of difficulty with navigation. Why did they make it so complicated? Komoot it's 10 time better And even easier to use. Pensive There are many functions that cannot be activated if you are recording an activity (if I want to go to a place for example, I can not write the name of the city, why!?) If I have done 100km and I have to do another 100km, I don't really feel like stopping the activity and doing two, it doesn't seem like a logical thing to do, right? Trip planning from both my phone and Garmin is terrible, even trip planning from my computer and browser is bad and poor, why!? Navigation should be much smarter like Google Maps, not constantly telling me to make a U-turn. I would also need a distance counter and the time I have left to get to the specific place I set, like on Google Maps. Another very bad thing is that when I want to go back to the beginning of the ride where I started from I want to be able to choose between the routes to take, maybe I don't want to climb a mountain again.

  • Yesterday, while on my gravel bike and riding in an area next to a bike-park, my 1040 wanted me to go down the downhill trails....

    No navigation system would deal with this the way you’d like. 

    Sometimes there might be a couple of meters of detail missing on a train and because of that the unit does not know it could route through it so it goes around

    It’s not clear what you are saying here. 

    If part of the road/path is missing (if there is a gap) from the map, as far as any device would know, the way does not exist. No device would be able to route through gaps. Even if the gap is tiny. This missing “detail” is a map problem.

    I also noticed that in my area some quite frequently used trails just disappeared from the maps (they were there some updates ago for sure!).

    This is odd. Note that the map data is “crowd sourced”. That is, the data depend on the public providing updates. Updates for things like highways is going to be more reliable than things like trail. Commercial maps will be updated more reliably but things like trails and cycling facilities might not even be included (these maps tend to be focused on driving and getting data for trails and such is expensive).

    The reality of fact is that if you can, pre-plan the route (and even more variants of it) so to be able to not rely on Garmin SW

    Planning routes let you consider what you know, your preferences, and give you tools (like streetview) that no navigation system could ever provide.

  • I do not think no navigation system would not be able to deal with it. When I plan on Komoot, I hardly get those type of errors because the algorithm knows a gravel bike should not go down a trail with a huge height difference in 1 km length. Also there are other ways to distinguish this behavior which seem to work on other platforms but not Garmin.

    Do not get me wrong, I think the Edge is a nice tool and it definitely gets you home! But like on the Fenix, the SW could be improved.

    What I was saying is that in the digital map, sometimes might happen that few meters of a trail are maybe not continuously connected with the following intersection. Think about a minor map "bug": the trail is there but somehow the pieces are not fully connected (like a discontinuity on a function in math terms). This happens in my area in the Alps. 

  • I do not think no navigation system would not be able to deal with it. When I plan on Komoot, I hardly get those type of errors because the algorithm knows a gravel bike should not go down a trail with a huge height difference in 1 km length

    You can’t compare using a room full of computers (a bit of an exaggeration) to something you’d carry on a bike and want to run for hours on battery. 

    Do not get me wrong, I think the Edge is a nice tool and it definitely gets you home! But like on the Fenix, the SW could be improved.

    You have to have realistic expectations. The computers in the Garmin devices are very slow. Much slower than the computers in typical smartphones. The computers that things like Komoot uses are much faster still.

    What I was saying is that in the digital map, sometimes might happen that few meters of a trail are maybe not continuously connected with the following intersection

    That’s what I thought you were getting at. No navigation system would deal with this. This is a map-data problem. Seeing this as a “discontinuity” is useful because that’s exactly what it is.

  • If I need to plan a route I do it in Gaia on my phone, then export to gpx, upload to Connect and sync to 1040. Doing it from Garmin apps is a lot worse. Plotting on device itself is even worse. I wish there was a way to share a POI from Google Maps and then route to it... 

  • My solution is ridewithgps.com the free version will likely do everything you need. Garmin is useful for keeping track of where you have been and where you are headed as long as you use something else to set it up.

  • I agree that navigation on the Edge sucks, which is too bad since that was my main reason for buying it. I don't consider myself a cyclist, but I use my bikes a lot for fitness and exploration of my surroundings. My Bosch e-bike has a great bike computer called Nyon that I paid extra for and love. Unfortunately it is not available for the new generation Bosch smart system, nor for analog bikes, hence why I bought a bike GPS.

    I want to be able to do three things: 
    1) enter an address and a get a route there (preferably with a choice between a fast or a scenic route),  
    2) see the map when I'm on the move and look for interesting routes, and
    3) plan a route, transfer it to my bike computer and follow it reasonably easy when I'm on the bike. 

    Unfortunately, the Garmin is quite bad at all three, though no 3 works reasonably well, besides the fact that the map sucks no matter the settings I try. No 1 never works as it always says "there are no routeable roads in your area" and no 2 does not work at all and is the reason no 3 sucks, the map is just bad and no interesting information is shown. The roads or trails disappear completely when zooming out just a few times. Also, the re-routing is glitchy and navigation to start of the route does not work due to the issue described above. 

    I have a Garmin motorcycle GPS that does these things beautifully so I know it is not impossible for them, unless they actually don't have any cycling maps at all for Sweden. If so, what the h*ll did I pay so much money for? 

    I couldn't care less about cadence and stuff as I have no sensors for that and no interest anyway. Just gimme a decent navigation device Disappointed

  • I have seen a situation where the Edge wasnt able to find a route, but only once. If you always get an error, it sounds like something is wrong with your maps. "The map is bad and no interesting information is shown" also sounds odd to me, the usual critique is that Garmin maps show too much detail.

    Do you have the right maps installed for your area and are they up to date?

  • You're the man! 100

    I connected again to Garmin Express and actually managed to find the TopoActive map for my region and it seems as though that was the key to getting both the detailed maps as well as the navigation functionality. I did a few quick tests and now I can navigate to specific addresses, as well as to the beginning of a route Smiley
    Before I had the base map and Trailforks, which was obviously not enough. 

    So maybe it was only that I don't understand how to operate this type of Garmin device. Embarrassing that it took me almost a year and an online whine, but very happy that my issues seem to be resolved! Laughing

    I've had Garmin car and motorcycle GPS devices for 20 years but never had this problem so in my defense, I didn't realise that I would need so many maps for cycling...

  • Navigation for cars is much easier. (Motorcycling has its own special issues but is similar to cars but tends to avoid highways.)

    The base map can’t be used for routing at all. 

    Trailforks is for mountain biking (and can’t be used for general routing).