POI are not transferred from Garmin connect

Am I the only one who has this problem?

You cannot load what you are calling POI data from a course file using GPX onto an Edge.

Course files can contain what Garmin calls Course Points. This information is only supported in TCX and FIT file formats.

POI or Course Points, I think it's more vocabulary... because the principle is the same and they are recorded in a wpt tag in a gpx file.
On the other hand, it is completely false that Course Points are only supported on TCX and FIT files. The proof, my gpx file contains them and they are well loaded in my garmin if I drop the gpx.
My problem is why the Course Points (as Garmin calls them) are not synced between the Garmin Connects app and my Garmin. My track is created 100% in the Garmin ecosystem just like the Course Points.

9771235 said:

POI or Course Points, I think it's more vocabulary... because the principle is the same and they are recorded in a wpt tag in a gpx file.

The way terms are used for things on the device don’t always match how they are used by other programs (like Garmin Connect).

For example, what some programs call “POIs” show up as “locations” on the device. The device has “POIs”, but that’s a different set of data than “locations”. “Course points” aren’t “locations”.

9771235 said:

On the other hand, it is completely false that Course Points are only supported on TCX and FIT files.

This is not correct. 

“Course points” are very similar to waypoints but the Garmins treat them very differently.

GPX waypoints show up as “locations”. The devices have POIs, but you have to use another method using a POI file (something that Garmin’s “POI loader” program can create). That is, on the device, “locations” and “POIs” are distinct lists (different sets of data).

“Course points” are points that are part of the overall course (a course is a track and a list of optional course points). They indicate special points along the course (like turns). (Note that a track is also a list of points.)

If your file has course points (and course points are enabled on the device for the course), they will show up in the “course point” page on the device. The items in this list only come from FIT or TCX files (not GPX files).

If you look at a TCX file with course points, you’ll see them as a list. In FIT files, “course points” and “locations” are different data types. 

In talking about navigation, “waypoints” are positions you navigate to and a route is made up of navigating from one waypoint to another. The idea is that the waypoints indicate the places you “must” pass through but not the path you use between way points. Note that this is a strict definition of “waypoint” (as it’s used when talking about navigation). Often, the term is used more generically to refer to any point (the “wpt” item in GPX files is generic).

Some GPS units (like the Garmin hiking models) can build a route from a list of waypoints (in a file). The Edges don’t have this capability. Instead, they build routes from tracks (lots of points tracing the path you want to take.

“Course points” are not used for building routes. They are used for highlighting special points along the course. “Course points” are a particular Garmin thing. Actually, they are mostly a particularity Garmin Edge thing.

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Anyway….

I have loaded “locations” (on the device) using GPX files containing waypoints. Maybe, try a GPX file that just has waypoints.

Or, maybe, your GPX waypoints are being added successfully to “locations” (but you are looking for them in “course points”).

Note that the icons that are available for locations on the device don’t include the icons available for course points.

Thank you very much for all this explanation. It's a bit clearer.

I don't know how to do this, but here is my problem. I have a multi-day race (over 1500km) and with my old GPS from another manufacturer, I traced the routes on a platform, and then I had the gpx in my cloud (Google Drive or any other). That way, if there was a bug on the gps I could reset the gps without fear of losing my track. Then I imported the gpx file with my mobile phone and I found my POIs.
Currently, with my EDGE, if I do a reset, I have a big problem. I can send the gpx file from my iPhone, but the POI are not displayed anymore and it's very problematic. The POI's contain water points and sleeping places that are not necessarily on my route.

To solve this, I said to myself ok I'll use the Garmin application (Garmin ecosystem, everything should work...). I uploaded my routes in Garmin Connect and added the course points. (The first problem was that I couldn't add my points to the desired locations as I can't add them outside the routes. But I managed to find out how to do it.)

The big problem, if I send these routes (created on Garmin Connect with course points) to my EDGE, I have the routes, but not the course points. The Snapshots below that show that my course points are enabled, but none of them show up on my EDGE.

So in case of any bug, I could get the route, but not the course points. If I export the file to .fit and save it to the cloud. I don't have an option to open it with Garmin and send it.

My problem is why the course points that are well created with the Garmin connect app and visible on the app. Are not displayed on my EDGE, especially since the course points seem to be a function for EDGE from what I understand from your message

9771235 said:

I have a multi-day race (over 1500km) and with my old GPS from another manufacturer, I traced the course on a platform, and then I had the gpx in my cloud.

If there are "natural" breaks in that long course, it might be more reliable to break the course up. The devices can have issues calculating the turn guidance for really long courses (this is based on experience with the 800; newer units might be better). In any case, you probably don't want to wait to recalculate the whole route if you need to reload it closer to the end.

9771235 said:

My problem is why the course points that are well created with the Garmin connect app and visible on the app. Are not displayed on my EDGE, especially since the course points seem to be a function for EDGE from what I understand from your message

Note that I don't have a 1040 but have a lot of experience with the 800, 1030, 1030+. The devices generally work the same way but there could be issues with the 1040 (which means that, if something doesn't work on the 1040, it doesn't mean it's actually not supposed to work. That is, it could be a bug,)

There are two basic types of "course points": 1- ones added automatically (for turns) and 2- custom ones.

Garmin Connect doesn't include the automatic course points for devices that support "turn guidance"** when you export the file or send it to the device. This means, you'll only get the custom course points. (I just verified this on my 1030+.)

• If you export the file as GPX, the course points in Connect are written out as locations (waypts) and show up on the devices in the Saved Locations list.
• If you export the file as FIT, the course points in Connect show up as course points on the device. You'll see them in the course points data page when you load the course on your device.

RideWithGPS includes all of the course points (In the FIT and TCX file). I think it outputs them in the GPX (but they will be waypts, not course points). RideWIthGPS lets you add custom course points but it's a paid feature (you can sign-up for a month).

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* "Turn Guidance" is the "big white arrows" turn instructions. The Garmins generate these on the device by "walking" the track to see what roads/paths the track appears to follow on the map installed on the device.

"Course points" were, originally, a way to provide turn instructions on Garmin devices that did not have turn guidance (or maps).

If I send my route from the phone, I have no points, even in the saved locations. Whether it's POIs or race points. However, if I import the route from a computer, then it's good.
Except that I don't have a computer during the race. I only have my phone and it's frustrating to see the points of interest on the Garmin connect app and not be able to import them to the EDGE.
Yes, I use RWGPS and I have no problem to exporting points to my files. If I open the files in Garmin BaseCamp or whatever, I can see my points.
The issue is in importing these points from the phone. If I load the course from a computer, it is good

What phone?

So, you are running things through the Garmin Connect website? If so, I'm a bit surprised that you appear to be relying on having internet access.

I don't think you can add POIs in Garmin Connect. You can add course points.

You can add POIs in RWGPS in addition to course points. There's an option to include the POIs and course points as waypoints in the GPX file.

Hi dpawlyk,
I'm on iPhone, but I don't depend on the internet, I depend on a computer if I want my points (whether they are POI or course points) to be transferred. The POI I can add in Garmin Connect, but without a computer, they are not sent in EDGE. The only way to add the POIs to the EDGE is by dropping the file into the EDGE from a computer. I find it really not reassuring to use this GPS in races like transcontinental.
Resetting my GPS and not being able to re-import the POIs is a reason to abandon the race... 

In these events, the GPS is running non-stop and having a GPS that bugs is common. The big problem is not being able to re-import the routes and all the points without having to find a computer.

Whether it is POIs or race points. These things are very important in these events.

Even a .gpi file created with Garmin POILoader is impossible to import into the EDGE without using a computer

You are adding “course points” in Garmin Connect. 

The custom course points you are adding should show up on your 1040 (they show up on my 1030+).  So, maybe, there’s an issue with the 1040. 

GPI files are “exceptional”. It’s not expected normal people are using them on any regular basis. So, it’s not surprising getting them on your device tales more steps. 

If you can get the FIT file with the course points saved on your phone, you could transfer the file to your device with the course points (but it looks like the 1040 might have a problem with that). Transfer if files from Android is easier than from iOS.

Again, it looks like the 1040 might not be working as it should.

The course file (with the course points) should survive a reset. So, should GP file. So, while I understand and appreciate your concern, things might not quite be as directs you are supposing.