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Navigations prompts not working anymore

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over 1 year ago

When I start a run and select a course for navigation everything works apart from navigational prompts for turns. It will indicate once I’m off track but won’t tell me when to turn. I have ensured to have turn Prompts enabled in the settings. The issue randomly occurred some 3 weeks ago and persists till now. Anyone else having this issue or knows how to fix it?

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Dan.Boilermaker

    Oh that's interesting. Thank you for pointing that out. Then this behaviour must have changed. Do you also have the toggle to (de)activate the turn notifications for cycling courses? 

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to 3333113
    3333113 said:
    . Once that's done, changing the course type to "other" in GC should do the trick then

    Not sure if this would work. Somebody here on the forums pointed out that his komoot courses were not editable in GC. But it seems like Dan is getting turn notifications for cycling from GC courses, so let's see if we can figure this out somehow. I am currently also a little buzzled on why this seems to not work for everyone...

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to #Matthias#

    I don`t understand something here. In my opinion turn-by-turn navigation should be a device setting (like on Edge series), not the course itself . Fenix is completely capable of routing and navigating using the routable maps it has. Defining turn notifications in course before syncing to a watch, makes sense for device like Instinct 2 (X), which has only breadcrumb navigation.

    Is it some kind of #getedgeorgetlost policy or am I missing some setting on Fenix 7?

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to 3333113

    Simple.

    Not always a map has all “knots”(turns) that someone might need i.g. on “off road”, MTB, trekking activities.

    Also while “turns” might be created automatically based on maps knots (manually too) POI are manually imputed in a “course” in order  to be showed at Up Ahead page. 

    Problem with sending customized turns(not POI’s) wirelessly is that even using a 3rd party app IT WILL GO TROUGHT GCM … that will mess with others turns by creating GC’s ones …

    For customized turns and POI’s the only current solution is to copy and paste a .fit file to Garmin/NewFiles folder using a USB cable.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to #Matthias#
    #Matthias# said:
    Do you also have the toggle to (de)activate the turn notifications for cycling courses? 

    I don't have the slider toggle for any of the bike routes (road/MTB).

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to #Matthias#
    #Matthias# said:
    Not sure if this would work. Somebody here on the forums pointed out that his komoot courses were not editable in GC. But it seems like Dan is getting turn notifications for cycling from GC courses, so let's see if we can figure this out somehow. I am currently also a little buzzled on why this seems to not work for everyone...

    I think this the way all third party courses are handled in GC.  I use Strava and PloteaRoute (subscriber to both) to create courses.  As a subscriber, the courses can be automatically sync'd to GC.  Once in GC, those courses are identified as to the source course editor and are locked out for GC editing.  A way around that issue is to use the "duplicate" function in GC to copy the course over to an editable course.  

    Regardless, I can sync over a Strava created route, sync it to my watch and TBT alerts function just fine.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Dan.Boilermaker
    Dan.Boilermaker said:
    I don't have the slider toggle for any of the bike routes (road/MTB).

    Okay thanks. I need to re-test this when I get my watch back (it's currently out for warranty replacement). Last time I checked no toggle meant no turn prompts for me, so it seems like there was an under the hood change. 

    3333113 said:
    In my opinion turn-by-turn navigation should be a device setting (like on Edge series), not the course itself

    It is. On the Fenix you have the choice. Either you use navigate by 'Use Map', which will calculate the route, along with the turn prompts, on the watch, or you can navigate by 'Follow Course', where the watch only displays the turn prompts that are added to the course. Many people prefer the latter way, because the 'Use Map' option consumes more battery and re-calculates your existing route which might route you through paths that you do not want to go. But with the 'Follow Course' option, you need a good planning tool to create the courses if you want to make use of turn prompts and other course points, and unfortunately Garmin does not provide one and all 3rd party ones (Plotaroute and Locus Map are quite popular) have their own downsides. 

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to #Matthias#

    There is also a system switch to turn on/off turn prompts

    Main Menu=>Navigation=>Alerts=>Turn Prompts

  • 0 over 1 year ago

    Could you please comment on how this is supposed to work? Is it intentional that cycling courses do not have the toggle in GC to (de)activate turn notifications? And if there is no toggle, should there be turn notifications or not?

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to 3333113
    3333113 said:
    I don`t understand something here. In my opinion turn-by-turn navigation should be a device setting (like on Edge series), not the course itself . Fenix is completely capable of routing and navigating using the routable maps it has. Defining turn notifications in course before syncing to a watch, makes sense for device like Instinct 2 (X), which has only breadcrumb navigation.

    That assumes that the navigation course ideally matches on-device map. However, more often than not a GPX course is just someone's earlier recording of an activity. If a device used to record it wasn't accurate, which is often the case, the recorded GPX might diverge from the map quite a bit, which would throw the on device routing off. That is guaranteed. Furthermore, often device maps simply don't have all the trails or there are situations where GPX courses may go completely off trail. Also, on device routing consumes considerably more battery power, especially when it needs to constantly reroute. 

    As a trail running I use on-device routing pretty much never. When I make a course in advance I want to follow it exactly as planned. I don't want the device to start rerouting me if I accidentally go off course - that's what happens with on-device routing. Instead I want it to show me that I am off course, then return back on course and continue with the originally planned course. If it starts rerouting me in a race, that would be a disaster. The only rare case when I use on device routing is when I decide to cut my trail run short and want my watch to find the shortest route back to my car.