During a hike activity, how does one directly route to a saved location anymore?

Last week I tried the Spencer Meadows National Recreation Trail, which is absent from all Garmin maps.  No problem, I used AllTrails - Spencer Meadows.  But I lost the trail on AllTrails at a stream crossing due to all the ash etc.  When I finally found the trail again, I added a Saved Location on my F7SS and InReach Mini 2 via the iOS Explore app where I lost the trail before, as a navaid to easily get back later.

When I tried to navigate to the Saved Location during the Hike activity, I found no way to just route directly to it.  Every attempt gave me a crazy road detour way out of scope - "walk x miles left, take the road 0.5 miles, then walk x miles right to reach your destination".  This makes using Saved Locations in the backcountry for hikers and backpackers virtually useless, and even dangerous - set a location and find later you simply can't navigate to it effectively.

I see from 4-5 years ago that older Garmin HW/SW supported direct navigation in activity settings (hereherehere) but more recently (like this) it seems to only navigate if routable, which as the latter post shows, causes some problems occasionally even when Garmin-known routes may exist.

I've talked with Garmin briefly about this issue and will "share an idea" that maybe a high-end watch used by hikers and backpackers for navigation, should actually support the standard options for navigation that Garmin and other GPS units have had for a few decades.  But if anyone knows a good way of doing this now with Saved Locations, please do chime in!  One option I've heard about is to always use Courses rather than Saved Locations.  Even a single-point Course can act as a directly routable Saved Location, I guess.  Creating these on the fly in the backcountry isn't necessarily a problem.  I haven't actually tried this yet though - and Courses have different limitations than Saved Locations so it seems the solution is "when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail".

  • Thanks!  I did try this briefly and it seemed potentially useful for other direct navigations needs, but not for my need to get back to my Saved Location (unless I'm missing something).  Also at the time I really wanted to keep my Hiking activity going and just do the direct nav.

  • Somethings mixed up, I'm not sure it's me though.  I do now see that direct routing is actually still under "Routing", within activity settings...I just couldn't find it before, because the Hiking activity had a setting under Routing called "Activity" with a default setting of "Hiking".  That made me think it was a name and no more.  As I said before, when I looked later I found I could set that to "Mountaineering".  Then my Hiking activity would have routing settings for "Mountaineering" which would still calculate a crazy route along the nearest road or trail to the mountain peak I set as a Saved Location I was trying to go to.  I could also set the Hiking activity Routing - Activity setting to "Motorcycle".  I guess that would then only route to Saved Locations along routes labeled as passable by a motorcycle.

    I also see what you mean about copying the activity profile "Navigate", that makes sense to me and seems like a good idea.

    Now that I know how to route directly on-the-fly, I think maybe my biggest concern is just that the name "Routing - Activity" is misleading.  It should be "Routing - Style" or "Routing - Paths" or something because it actually has little to do with the Activity.  The Showshoe activity routing default is "Hiking", for example, even though it's unlikely that most snowshoe activities actually try or need to follow trails.

    My second biggest concern is with the lack of documentation re: what the values under there actually mean / what they really do.  The entire documentation content says only this:

    Activity

    Sets an activity for routing. The watch calculates routes optimized for the type of activity you are doing.

    (The above doc is here online.  Some of the content is new, hence purple background).

    That's it.  No list of the available options, what they do, or the fact that Direct Routing is an option. Although on the trail I didn't even think to look at this, seeing it now and looking at the values and what I know of its behavior I think this is totally wrong.  They overload/misuse the word "Activity", and it definitely does not optimize the route for the type of activity the name implies.

    I can guess what's going on.  The list there represents sets of "capability" attributes on the paths encoded into the maps.  A route will only be calculated where a path has compatible attributes to the activity setting chosen.  And many of the other "Activities", like Hunt, Fish, Sailing, SUP, etc. are not on the list because either they have special UI associated with the actual activity (like Hunt, Reference Point, etc) or the expected routing behavior is completely subsumed by an existing value in the list (so Snowshoe uses "Hike", and Sailing uses "Direct Routing").  But with zero explanation of exactly what they mean by "The watch calculates routes optimized..." everyone is really left in the dark.

  • Keep in mind that your GPS device or app's accuracy may depend on factors such as signal strength, terrain, and weather conditions. It's always a good idea to bring a physical map, know how to use traditional navigation methods Golden Tree Roofing, and inform someone about your hiking plans for safety.

  • How about my amazing next-level stupidity: I just discovered direct routing on the Fenix 7 but never found it on my Fenix 5 or 6.. often bringing my Fenix 3 along on trail runs just in case I would need a direct route. 

  • "Direct" means here in the context > "as the crow flies" or not ?

  • scusate, ma non capisco l'impostazione "routing diretto".

    Vivo in nord Italia (=Alpi) e spesso vado in montagna. Conosco la destinazione ma avrei bisogno che il Garmin fenix 7 mi calcoli il percorso migliore ma poi mi DICA vibrando se devo andare a destra o a sinistra.

    é possibile farlo? è possibile avere delle indicazioni sul percorso?

  • I hope this is relevant...I have 200 saved locations, and I've reverted back to 13.22 as if you have many saved locations,they can't be used in my hike activity, when I try and press for the saved location to navigate too,I get sent to the around me screen instead, I reported the original saved locations problem before that got fixed,now there's another saved locations bug....with 13.22 ,I can at least navigate to a saved location in my hike activity sports profile.

  • when I try and press for the saved location to navigate too,I get sent to the around me screen instead

    I had the same problem with FW 14. After I had tried it several times again and again without success, and also always ended up in the "around me" screen, it then suddenly worked. Now no more problem with it. It seemed to me as if the saved locations must first be loaded initially after this update.

  • Thank you bluefish ,that's great information, conformation ,and maybe a possible fix.. tried it in a few sports profiles and it was the same in them that saved locations will send you in the around me screen making the watch useless for me ,I may try again, but I also had duplicated sports profiles (see picture) and I have 10 copies of sports profiles, with the new added sports profiles Garmin added, I thought maybe it's because Garmin needs to up the sports profiles limit again, as I see either all inbuilt sports profiles, or if I copy a few,I'll see on next watch startup that some sports profiles will be missing from the watch altogether, not just from the list, also favourites are completely different on each watch startup....with so many bugs that effect me directly, I'm having to stay on 13.22 I think for now...

    Thanks again -)