What does Fenix 8 / Tactix 8 Need To Have To Make You Upgrade?

Note that AWU does not measure HR and others in 1 s intervals, but the interval is variable depending how its algrithm decides according to conditions. Also the position tracking most likely switch between systems. And the display is usually not always on. The Garmin measures anything in 1 s intervals (it measure in 1 s interval but under some settings it stores data in longer intervals). The display is always on. Battery runtime is then affected by the selection of tracking mode. The SATIQ algorithm is most likely close to apple way choosing optimal system depending on conditions. 40 hours seems to me that is for all satellite systems and multiband (or your battery is defective). The battery less draining mode is e.g. GPS only without multiband where you should get about 80 hours with measuring in 1 s intervals.

1000000000 said:

40 hours seems to me that is for all satellite systems and multiband (or your battery is defective)

No, this is the base model Fenix 7 with GPS only. It's not the X. In reality, I'm normally getting around 30 hours with the map displayed and course navigation enabled. I'm guessing I'd get around half that with the Apple Watch (don't tend to look at the watch too frequently as most races are well marked).

1000000000 said:

Note that AWU does not measure HR and others in 1 s intervals, but the interval is variable depending how its algrithm decides according to conditions

Not too much of a concern for me and many others as we're wearing straps. Can't trust OHR in difficult conditions.

krgorny said:

Anything will not convince me to spend rumoured 999 euro/dol price

Maybe it is an option to wait 2 to 3 years for used ones and old stock to turn up for more affordable prices. It is a good idea to wait a while anyway, so you can learn all about the experiences of early adopters before buying. 

Data said:

so you can learn all about the experiences of early adopters before buying

Almost 3 years into Fenix 7 ownership and still feeling like an early adopter .

Honestly, youre almost better off for the watch to fall out of support and then wait for one or two last bug fixes to come out for it. My Fenix 5+ has been absolutely bullet proof for the last few years. God.. I wish that were a joke.

As excited as I am for a new model, and having bought all 3 of the last models on launch day, most likely my plan this time around is to let other people be the early adopters, and I'll just wait until whenever the first good sale comes up. Because, for the first time in a long time, I'm not really in a huge hurry to buy the latest and greatest, my Epix Pro still feels like a brand new watch to me (I mean, it's barely a year old).

So I've talked a lot of trash about Apple Watch Ultra and Samsung Ultra having enough features to entice a move over if the 8 doesn't wow.

Well, I've done a tendon in the ankle a couple of weeks back on a trail run which has caused me to switch back to cycling. I've pulled the road bike and the Wahoo Kickr (dyno trainer) out of storage and connected them to the Fenix. I was shocked to see that the watch was controlling the trainer's resistance when I selected and automatically generated workout. Like.. mind blown. It knew my fitness (V02 Max), my current training load and gave me a suitable cycling workout for that very moment in time. It loaded my legs up and made me push X watts for Y minutes.

All of the avid cyclists are rolling their eyes right now because this feature is probably well known, but it's knocked my socks off as how richly featured this watch actually is. It's an incredible training tool across so many disciplines.

So there it is. Just like that, I cant see myself moving to any other brand no matter how many annoying little bugs the Fenix has. Other watches may have LTE and a voice assistant, sure, but absolutely nothing on the market seems to compare as a training tool.

Edit: it appears the Apple Watch Ultra will pair with Bluetooth power meters like the Kickr and even give you FTP estimates in the same way the Fenix does. It doesn't however control the load on trainer or give you auto generated workouts.

That's a great example of how most of the people who waver between Garmin and other brands simply must not be using most of Garmin's capabilities, or may not even know they exist, or else they'd never be nurturing the thought of changing to something else. It's crazy how much these watches can do, right out of the box, without even needing any 3rd party apps or anything. Most people will only ever use 10% of its functionality, and virtually nobody will ever use more than 50% of its functionality. And that includes even myself; I'm a longtime heavy Garmin user and I know that I only use like maybe half of what the watch is capable of. For example, I don't even swim or play golf, and I barely ride bikes, so I don't even use any of the features for those sports, or really even know what those features are. But I do know that the features that I do use are substantially more well baked in Garmin products than in anyone else's watches. The mapping capabilities alone are mind boggling.

Is Garmin perfect? Absolutely not. We all know some bits of their software are perpetually buggy. But overall these watches are faaaar more capable than anything their competitors are even remotely putting out. And it goes without saying, the competitors' watches aren't exactly bug free either.

I feel like most of the people who threaten to leave Garmin for whatever reason have no actual intent to do so and are just threatening it to try to make Garmin step up their game. And I guess that's fine, it never hurts to keep Garmin on their toes and trying harder. It only bothers me when potential new Garmin users get dissuaded from ever trying it because of the incessant complaining they see on the internet.

Just add a mic to the  Fenix 7x pro sapphire solar 51mm/54mm and improve hearth rate sensor... The full size MIP display is mandatory on Fenix series... Why is that? A watch must have always-on display without getting burn-in or big drain on battery, smartwatch must have mic to become smart with voice assistance 

Just add a mic to the Fenix 7x pro sapphire solar 51mm/54mm and improve hearth rate sensor... The full size MIP display is mandatory on Fenix series... Why is that? A watch must have always-on display without getting burn-in or big drain on battery, smartwatch must have mic to become smart with voice assistance