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Fenix 7 Sapphire Solar - Compass instantly decalibrates when putting the watch on my wrist, or tilting the face on wrist

I recently purchased a Fenix 7 SS and took it for a hike. I noticed that the maps and compass would never point in the right direction when standing still and taking bearings (I assume this is when the magnometer takes over from the GPS-based compass). I could sometimes get it to calibrate (mostly only when I removed it from my wrist, as it would fail with it on) which would work momentarily, and then it would completely decalibrate and lock to one direction when I put it back on my wrist. I assumed this was due to a faulty watch.

When I returned home I searched for this issue on google and came across lots of threads on this forum from disgruntled owners (see links below).  I found that I too could replicate the behaviour described in these threads - the compass deviates +/- when moving the bottom strap back and forth. I could remove the bottom strap and spin the pin with my finger (I think my bottom pin was looser than most people’s) and reliably make the compass point in ANY direction - I was getting a full +/- 180 degree deviation. This is clearly a design flaw, but one that Garmin refuses to concede in the threads. I found that the compass would decalibrate and deviate so easily, simply by tilting the watch slightly on my wrist with my other hand - how one might do when checking the time or looking at a map or… using the compass with a paper map. Garmin’s official line is that moving the watch on your wrist “is not within the intended use of the watch” or that compass defects had been “fixed in firmware 9.33” - I was running the latest at the time 10.43.

The fact that the compass deviates so much when tilting, and sometimes completely locks up, means one can’t ever trust the heading, even after careful calibration. I know lots of people probably don’t notice this issue, as many people may not use the watch for hiking or navigating. When I took the watch into the shop I bought it from, the owner had a Fenix 7x SS and agreed that he also had seen some inaccuracies of the compass but doesn’t use it for hiking, so never gave it much thought. When I showed him the compass deviation when twisting the strap pin, he tried it on his own watch and his face dropped. He happily took my watch back for a return.

The reason I am making this post, is that I can’t stop thinking about this watch and I really wish it worked for me - everything about it was perfect except for this issue (and also the terrible routing, but that’s an issue with all Garmin products). This problem would be easily solved by sending out non-ferrous strap pins as replacements upon request, but for that to happen Garmin would first have to concede that this is a design fault. My question is, Garmin, are you planning on fixing this issue in the Fenix 8, or are you so adamant it’s not a problem that we'll see it proliferate through all future generations of your watches with fixed pins? I don't intend to gamble my money to find out, I need a statement of confirmation.

Now, I’m sure there are lots of people for whom this doesn’t happen on their watch, and I’m jealous! This is clearly an issue of the pins getting magnetised at some point, maybe in transit to shops, maybe in some factories and not others (if there are multiple). The fact that the pins CAN be magnetised and/or that the magnometer isn’t shielded, is the flaw here. It’s only a matter of time before anyone’s Fenix 7 will start to display this behaviour. In previous generations of the Fenix, with replaceable springpins, I would assume this issue could be fixed by just buying a new, nonferrous, or at least not-yet-magnetised pin, though I have never owned a previous generation Garmin watch.

The two threads about this I could find where Garmin actually give statements:
forums.garmin.com/.../fenix-7x-saphire-solar---compass-stops-working
https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/fenix-7-series/307587/fenix-7x---compass-stops-working

TLDR: My main use for this watch is mountaineering, so I'd really like to be able to trust the compass. Compass decalibrates when the bottom strap pin rotates, this happened so easily on mine that it just took a tilt of the screen with my other hand. Garmin refuse to concede that this is a problem, and this makes me think that even if I wait until the Fenix 8 comes out the same issue will be present.

PS. I had a thought to seal the pins with glue, but since the pins are magnetised, can you be sure that the compass calibrates accurately?

  • Mine behaves exactly the same way and I use it the same way. Fenix ​​7

  • Same here. The compass in this watch is complete garbage. You shouldn't trust it to keep the correct heading. Since I mostly like other things in this watch, I'll just carry a normal compass to "workaround" ;) the issue.

  • I went to another shop and asked to have a look at the one Fenix7 SS they had in stock. The compass was completely locked up out of the box and wouldn't calibrate very easily. It had exactly the same issue with a very loose bottom strap pin that would deviate the compass by about 90 degrees. So that's now 100% of the 3 Fenix 7 watches I have seen that have been broken like this.

  • I opened a new thread few days ago regarding this issue.

    forums.garmin.com/.../1545476

    Garmin officials suggested to hard reset the watch but that did not helped. During my hike, the compass is normal for first hour and then it will lock up at certain direction. I tried updating the firmware, restarting and hard resetting the watch. None of these method solved the problem. 

  • Greetings to you from the owners of instinct 2. There is the same problem

  • This blew my mind - thank you for posting about it! I've been trying to figure out why the compass loses calibration so quickly because it is something I want to be able to rely on during hiking. I just read your post, unclipped the bottom strap, and started rotating the bottom pin while the compass was up. It bounced around like crazy! Garmin needs to fix this. Does that pin really need to be magnetized? Between this and the OHR being far less accurate while cycling (locks onto my cadence) I've been wearing my old Fenix 6 more and more frequently. What a let-down.

  • I don't think it was meant to be magnetised, it's just impossible to fix because the pins are locked in place. I sent mine back and just got a fenix 6 second hand, the only downside being the worse maps.

  • Same problem here. Also the compass isn't even consistent i.e. N,E,S,W are not at 90* intervals!
    After calibrating and using magnetometer settings, rather than gps/auto I get an error that west is 8* out but the other coordinates N,E,S are at 90* to each other. 

  • since this is a huge problem which renders the compass gadget quite useless I gave it some in depth resaerch.

    Problem seem to have more then one dimension.

    1. the magnetic problem. I took pin out and inspected it with a magnetometer. It is in fact magnetic which was to be expected but is not a good thing to start with. There should be a solution to provide antimagnetic pins by garmin. Yes, it is possible to demagnetise metal while not at home by users since you need a degausser. BUT: Magnetism was symmetric. with my tested pins. Which means that shouldn't account for crazy behavior of the compass when turning the pins. Pls. try to turn the pins real slow to confirm that magnetism of pins is in fact assymmetric with your device. If you turn it very fast that might be the result of static charge caused by friction between housing (essentially being made of plastic) and pins (metal). Same like during physics lesson when teacher was rubbing a metall bolt to a fabric. This effect should be discounted in normal use case. I could reproduce that with my Garmin 100%. I had the same effect when I pulled out my loop strap out of nylon: compass jumped like crazy. If i did it very slow - which is not a practical scenario obviously - compass stayed unaffected. However it be: @Garmin: give us antimagnetic pins. Shouldn't be that much of an financial effort. that might help to improve the situation at hand. It will not help with the static charge resulting of friction for users with loop bands who pull them out fast when removing device.

    2. The difference between basic directions (N,S,W,E) being unequal 90 degrees.There is no physical explanation for a behavior like this. How ever the compass might be declalibrated (even to 180 degrees, what can happen with too much metal around the little compass) it should never show a difference between basic directions unequal 90 degrees Thus: a very bad software blooper is the most  likely reason for that special problem scenario. I will try and put together some proof with experimental results and if I got that stuff together to open a case with Garmin. Will take me a little though since reproducable documentation of this is not to be done fast.

    3. calibrating using GPS shouldn't be as reliable by principle, similar reasons like calbration of elevation using GPS is unreliable and DEM is to be prefered, I'm not going to explain in depth, you may find my explanation in one of the elevation posts. I think Garmin put in this option only since calibrating by magnetometer has to be done with all those considerations about magnetism surrounding the compass device (braclet, surrounding etc). Still: if done right magnetometer is bound to be more exact. Also I have the feeling that with 10.44 it became worse compared to 9.3x to calibrate with GNSS. There  might be a correlation to the more and more evolving problem with GNSS described in some posts here.

  • I also tried the ABC widget which was even more inaccurate than the compass widget and the two widgets didn't agree. 
    Maybe it is a software/widget issue. 
    I have 10.44 firmware.