Product Quality Vs Commercial Reality

Former Member
Former Member

I am a relatively new Garmin owner.

Bought THREE Fenix 6's (2 Pro & 1 Sapphire all X's) and returned.

I have two 6X Sapphires due today and hopefully will choose the best with no blue screen or button issues.

Whilst this is a major ballache, at the same time, playing devils advocate, I do understand why these issues arise.

Products are getting more and more complicated with more scope for screw ups. Range Rovers are relatively expensive, have a ton of bells and whistles, yet you look at the reviews and they also have a ton of issues. For a vehicle of that cost its ridiculous.

However if you are a manufacturer trying to constantly innovate. Trying to beat the competition. Trying to remain commercially viable.

What are you going to do?

In business you come first (thats what she said) or undercut.

To come first speed is of the essence and this will inevitably mean getting the product out asap, acknowledging (internally) that there will be a host of issues, then working through those issues post-launch.

If the product on the whole is better than the competition, consumers will stick around and work through the issues (Garmin and Apple spring to mind). If not they fall.

From my limited experience I have found that Fenix 6 is without doubt unparalleled in terms of capability (my main use is utilising navigation for running).and aesthetically looks better than anything else out there (from my perspective of course) which is why I am sticking around.

Would I like a product that works as it should?

Of course and who knows if I have any more issues I may throw in the towel. However I also appreciate the commercial realities of selling a product like this and remaining at the top of the tree in a very competitive industry. Unfortunately QC and product testing will not and cannot be conducted to the ideal degree.

Thoughts?

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to tess

    Hardware-wise it might be true what you say even though it seems that the exceptions are the rule in case of Garmin. Anyway. Apple does not need ages to fix their software. I had a VivoActive3, the not-so smart Garmin balance and 2 Fenix 6 and they all have/had bugs that were never fixed or after months or even years. If people are OK with that it's fine. It's like with a car. Some people are fine with the plastic rattling and creaking for a good gas mileage. 

  • Guess it depends what's important for the different users, I couldn't care less about the weather widget, but the water sports speed bug or removed speed graph in Sup activities is a real annoyance for me. 

  • it seems that the exceptions are the rule in case of Garmin.

    That's your opinion.  You've had problems with Garmin and are understandabily biased against them. I've had great experiences going years back with Garmin and have a bias that's favorable to them.

    Apple does not need ages to fix their software

    I'm not sure I agree with this.  I Googled Apple Watch issues and this was the first link that popped up.  It's quite an extensive list.

    www.google.com/.../?amp

  • Garmin can sell half-baked stuff and lousy QC products because there is no competition

    Competition to Garmin watches:  Apple, Samsung, Polar, Suunto, Coros, Fitbit- and a few others, depending on segment.  If you think Garmin has no competition, it would only be because they've engineered and evolved their product to be that much better than the competition (at least in the case of the Fenix 6).  No- it's far from perfect- but the others aren't perfect either.  

    Garmin is a great company.  Excellent customer service, including well trained tech support people.  Plus- they are continuously updating the firmware to try and fix problems and add capability.  Even changing a bunch of screens and such to make the watch better than the product you originally bought.  

  • Wait, are we making excuses for an $800-$1000 WATCH to have so many problems because they need to be first to market and make their customers the true beta testers?

    The F6, for how much it costs and how much it promises, has extremely underperformed expectations. Garmin has the niche, rugged long-term endurance athletes, but when either Apple or Samsung decide to join the game, everyone else will be out. Their products are just simply better and do (almost) exactly what they promise (including optical heart rate monitor!). 

    Also, a company the size of Apple has put out FIVE (count them, 5) series of watches. Garmin has so many variations I don't even know how they keep up with them all. This makes their QC and software incredibly complex and bogged down. And limits the time they can spend on fixing real problems on any series of their products. 

  • Apple perhaps if they can ever decide to prioritise battery life, but Samsung's HR sensors have been consistently berated as awful.

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/samsung-galaxy-active-gps-fitness-sport-review.html

    "Ultimately, it’s pretty obvious that the heart rate sensor on the Samsung Galaxy Active isn’t that good. It’s not good in 24×7 mode, and it’s not good in workout mode. And lest you think it’s just me – there’s plenty of other reviewers I trust that have shown basically the same thing.  In fact, my skin and arm hair type is generally considered pretty easy for optical HR sensors. If a sensor fails on me, that’s usually a bad sign. That’s because my skin is fairly light/pale, and I have non-thick arm hair that’s also blond. Making it super easy for optical HR sensors to do their thing. Plus, I know how to properly tighten and place an optical HR enabled watch to ensure it’s set up for the best chance of success."

  • The F6, for how much it costs and how much it promises, has extremely underperformed expectations

    As a running watch it has actually exceeded my expectations.

  • I just took delivery of a Fenix 6x.  I also own a 5x, both Sapphire.

    So far I've found no problems.  Screen is fine, buttons are fine, backlight is fine (no odd hue to it), it connected to my HRM-TRI immediately without complaint, optical HR and SpOX both good, all looks good.

    Now the hour-long map update.... but at least I have fast broadband, so it's not THREE hours.... :-)

  • Directly from Garmin's website: "Multisport Fitness Watch"

    It fails in anything that may have significant change in HR within the minute time scale. 

  • It seems very accurate while running. For intervals I always use a chest strap.