Issues navigating a course route whilst running

Apologies in advance for the long post, but I'm having an annoying frustration that I need to ask your advice about!!

I'm a very happy owner of an Epix Pro (Gen 2) Sapphire 51mm. Well, happy except for one rather annoying issue I'm having: whenever I've tried to use the watch to run a course that I've either created or uploaded from a .gpx file, there have been problems...

The first time I ran a course, I manually created a circuitous route with 2 points on the route: a Start position (my home) and a Stop position (also my home). The watch's Routing option was set to 'Use Map' and so if I strayed off the route, I wanted the watch to recalculate the route ahead and get me back on track. So, I set off from the Start position (home) and immediately hit the first issue - the watch appeared to lock up and spent the first 5+ minutes of the run with 'Calculating' on the screen. Now, I'd manually drawn the route myself previously, so I knew the route that I was intending to run, but the lock-up meant that I was unable to use the watch at all - time, distance, pace, route, etc. - until it had finished 'Calculating'. I'm not even sure why or what it was 'Calculating - I'd already told it the route I wanted to follow, so it's not like there was anything to calculate and certainly not so early in the run or before I'd deviated from the course! 10 minutes into the run, and with the watch now displaying data again, one part of the planned route was inaccessible, and so I detoured myself around it - only for the watch to recalculate the route to head straight home 10 minutes into an anticipated 1 hour run. I believe now that this is because I had chosen 'Use Map' option under Routing and it was recalculating the route to the next waypoint on the map - which was the only other waypoint on the map, the final 'Stop' position at home! So I then spent the next 10 mins of the run with the watch repeatedly recalculating to get me home (i.e. the next/last waypoint), before I eventually cancelled the activity and just enjoyed the run.

Anticipating this behaviour the next time I used the 'Use Map' routing option, I then added more waypoints to the next route, so that if I went off course, the watch would at least recalculate to the next waypoint on the map - hopefully, not too far ahead! - and not just redirect me to the end point on the course. However, this time the watch spent approx 10 minutes on the 'Calculating' screen, before then rebooting itself and losing all of the activity I'd logged during the reboot. Needless to say, I didn't try to restart the course again in case of a further lock-up and just cancelled the recording (again!).

Armed now with these experiences, I then downloaded a .gpx file that someone else had provided for a half marathon event that I was entering. I preloaded it to the watch ahead of the event, made sure I had a locked 'green' GPS signal - several minutes before starting the race - and then, as the race began, hit 'Start'. The watch immediately went into the 'Calculating' screen again and - with this being a race - I couldn't afford to have the watch lock-up, reboot, or lose my stats. So I immediately stopped running, managed to break out of the 'Calculating' screen this time, and then just recorded the remaining distance as a normal run - not using the .gpx course that I'd downloaded and therefore relying purely on marshalls and signs to navigate the course.

So, all of my experiences with using the watch to navigate a course loaded onto the watch have been really disappointing. For a watch that is apparently Garmin's flagship model and that cost me 1000 GBP, I feel really dismayed by this feature that I was hoping to use frequently. Maybe it's user error and I'm doing something wrong (please tell me!), or maybe it's my expectations of what I'm hoping the watch to achieve, but so far, it's frankly been unusable for navigating a course whilst running. And it's proving completely unreliable to use a pre-loaded course when doing an race event, as I'm really reluctant to risk the watch either freezing on the 'Calculating' screen or - worse still - rebooting and losing all of my stats for the race.

I was really hoping this feature would allow me to load up a course to the watch and then navigate the route using the watch almost as a wearable sat-nav, alerting me when to turn left or right and correcting any deviations from the route accordingly. Especially as I'm now doing more events where a .gpx file is available upfront from the organisers and so I'd like to know how far ahead to the next turn, which direction to take, etc.

Am I expecting too much for a £1000 flagship model to be able to do this? Should one of their newest and best-specced models - I assume with one of Garmin's latest-and-greatest CPUs built into it? - be locking up or 'Calculating' for the first 5 minutes of a pre-loaded route when you start the timer...?! I mean, if you have a course where there are several turns to make in the first kilometre, for example, and the watch is stuck 'Calculating' for 5 minutes, how are you supposed to know where to go...? And what about other less-expensive models in the Garmin range that have this feature - if the top-of-the-range Epix Pro Gen2 can't cope, then what is the performance or experience like on the older and/or less expensive models?

Thanks in advance for any advice, all!

  • "Use map" isn't all that. I suspect it works better on the Edge units which probably have a lot more CPU and RAM.

    "Follow Course" is much, much better, provided you can live with it not rerouting. For races it's what you want anyway, if you go off course you're almost certainly required to rejoin where you left so you can't cut the course. Pretty much zero lag  from the moment you hit start, and a lot of the time the little red bug at the top of the watch screen pointing ahead is all you need to reassure you you're on the right path.

    Experiment a bit with setting up gpx courses and adding things like waypoints for aid stations to show in Up Ahead - generally just dropping in a gpx from a race won't give you the Up Ahead, it's designed to work with course points of the type found in fit files. 

  • I agree with mcbadger, don't use "Use map". That is from my experience the issue that you are facing. Because the watch is calculating the route based on whatever map you have on the watch. Not necessarily the same that the route has been created on. 

    I have used my Epix for hiking and used .gpx files that sometimes I have created, sometimes I just downloaded them from somebody else. Never ever had the issues that you are facing.

  • Thanks both for your quick replies.

    It sounds, then, like I'll have to experiment with the 'Follow Course' option under Routing instead of 'Use Map' Thumbsup

    Good shout regards if it's an event/race, in that you typically have to stick to the designated course anyway, and so the re-routing provided by 'Use Map' kinda becomes redundant in these situations.

    , I'll also have a play whilst using it for a hike, like you've kindly mentioned. I did wonder whether opting for 'Use Map' whilst on a running race - i.e. moving at a higher speed than when hiking - may put the watch's limited resources under too much stress and so it's constantly trying to calculate a new route, whilst it's current GPS start location is changing all the time, so it's literally trying to hit a moving target - and failing miserably.

    All good food for thought guys, thanks. Though I'd still be interested to hear if anyone is successfully using the watch as a wearable sat-nav and navigating a pre-loaded course, with course corrections being made in real-time, etc - on any flavour of Garmin watch, not just the Epix Pro Thinking

    Cheers.

  • I have had the exact same issues but with 'follow course'. It re-calculates if I do a slight variation from the planned route. AND, even worse and really weirdly I've found my epic gen2 then slips into a different course. I suddenly find it is routing me to a completely different course. It has happened every time I've tried to use my watch to navigate and I end up going back to getting my phone out. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. Any advice very much appreciated...

  • I am having issues with navigate a course too.

    Twice now I have plotted routes using os maps and transfered the gpx file to my epix 2 via garmin connect.

    Everything seems to work OK during the route however a 5.5 hr hike only shows up as about an hour? All the stats are for an hour, 2 laps add up to about an hour!

    It records the route I have took on the map as if it's the full route, it's just not recording the stats for the full 5.5 hour hike.

    Any ideas anyone? 

    TIA

  • Have you found it's better when you do 'follow course'? I have used 'follow course' but have still had a similar issue to your report above. If I go off course (which I do because am plotting longish trail runs and sometimes take a slightly different path through park/woods etc) then it re-calculates (with a lot of delay) to a very different route....

  • Have you found it's better when you do 'follow course'? I have used 'follow course' but have still had a similar issue to your report above. If I go off course (which I do because am plotting longish trail runs and sometimes take a slightly different path through park/woods etc) then it re-calculates (with a lot of delay) to a very different route....

  • I have only used follow course ...

    This has happened both times I have used navigate.

    When I just record a route it records all the data for the full hike.

  • Unfortunately, I've not had a chance to properly try it out yet, but I did just use the watch to navigate my 1-mile walk back home after dropping the car off at the garage this morning.

    I used the 'Walk' activity and then kept the routing on 'Use Map' and the route was calculated very quickly (5-10 seconds, I'd guess). I then set off and deliberately took a few paths different to those suggested by the watch, and again it quickly and easily recalculated, just as the 'Use Map' feature should do. So no issues today, though it was a very small end-to-end course and also not a circuitous route. If it worked as quickly and reliably as this all the time, I'd be an extremely happy owner! I may have to walk back to collect the car later so will try the 'Follow Course' option if I do, to see what happens then, and get back to you Thumbsup

    Incidentally, I had a thought after my original post.... One of the round-trip courses I created was made by the watch - so I used the watch to generate me a 10km run, starting and ending at my house. As I don't think the watch generates it's course with waypoints, does this mean that you would always have to use 'Follow Course' in this scenario, as 'Use Map' would surely always just recalculate you back home (i.e. the next waypoint) the moment you deviate from the generated course..? Thinking That would certainly explain what happened on one of my runs and would seem a bit of a failing of the course generator, if that's the case!

    On a slightly different note, I seem to be missing the turn-by-turn alerts on the watch and/or on the headphones when I came home today (and I'm not sure if it's ever worked). I had my headphones connected to my phone (an iPhone 12) to listen to music whilst walking back and although my *watch* bleeped and alerted me of an upcoming turn, there was no associated turn prompt on the watch face (either a full screen instruction *or* an arrow/distance at the bottom of the map) and no audio prompt via the headphones, either. I did get audio prompts via the headphones for Pace (1km, etc.) and also for phone alerts (text messages, etc.) but not for anything to do with the navigation of the route. I've checked and triple-checked the settings for both system-wide Audio Prompts and also Activity-specific prompts, but everything within these show Turn Notifications to be on. So how come I'm getting no full-screen instructions on the watch face, arrows/distance alerts on the watch face, audio prompts on my headphones - just a bleep and vibration on my watch, and then I have to scrutinise the map to see which way I should be turning?! Any thoughts, please..?

  • Oh, and one other thing I did check, which I only found out about recently. During walking/running/navigating a course, I didn't realise that you could hold down the 'Menu' (left-middle) button and get more options specific to the activity that you're in the middle of - in this case, a scrollable list of the Turn-by-Turn navigations that the watch has planned for you to take during the route! So, this morning, despite getting no prompts on the headphones, the phone or the watch face, I did check that the TBT instructions had been generated successfully and they had - they just weren't ever showing on the watch face or prompting me over the headphones whilst I was moving :-(