Physio TrueUp in v15.xx?

Admittedly a few standard deviations from the norm, but I fabricate and upload FIT files for my indoor bike rides that don't originate on my EPIX-2.  In fact, I don't even tell the EPIX-2 that I'm riding because I don't [currently] have a way to merge the power/cadence/speed data from the bike sensors into the watch's FIT data (an idea obviously worth re-visiting). The uploaded FIT files do contain second-by-second heart rate (the bike collects it from an HRM-Pro via ANT).

As some have noticed elsewhere, several training metrics viewable on GC don't [always] reflect efforts that came from an alternate watch [or source]. Metrics like stress, overnight sleep score, and body battery reflect the effort (pretty much unavoidable) but the "Exercise Load", "Acute Training Load", and recovery hours to name three, don't show or reflect any of these efforts. The GC calender and daily summaries know about the rides and can display summary info as well as graphs of second-by-second heart rate/power/cadence, etc. The watch doesn't list any of these rides in the "Last Activity" history which is neither shocking nor fabulous.  I'm guessing an activity recorded on a secondary Garmin watch would eventually be listed on a primary EPIX-2 where Physio TrueUp was working.

I get (but don't adore) that the [primary] watch is where a majority of these [First Beat?] computations takes place. The app and the web interface display information, but do very few computations.  I would have thought the idea behind Physio TrueUp was to coordinate the on-watch calculations with information GC collected from other watches (and sources).

What criteria or content of an uploaded FIT file causes it to be sent to the primary device watch for actual TrueUp-ing?

Thanks.

  • Rungab has a setting to add fake Garmin device information, in order to earn badges and compete in challenges. I don't know if it will make any difference in your scenario

  • Thanks for the insight, but that's not a problem with my approach - I get the badges, etc. with my FIT files.  Badges and challenge stuff is processing that is seemingly done in the cloud versus on the watch or in the app, and my FIT files contain enough of the Garmin 'flavor' to count as actual bike rides toward those ends.  I'm observing that the processing in the cloud doesn't seem to perceive my FIT files as suitable for sending down to the watch for TrueUp-ing.

  • Uploaded fit files are not processed. 
    You need to record the workouts with a Garmin device. 
    Only exception is Zwift that will sync to Garmin and the Garmin device will (most of the time) calculate the metrics. 

  • Based on what criteria does it decide the uploaded FIT didn't come from a Garmin device?  Solely because it was done via the manual upload and not by way of a device sync with the app?  A FIT file from another true Garmin watch would [theoretically] TrueUp to the primary watch, but it would have flowed through a sync.  My fabricated FIT files contain all the messages to make them appear to have originated from a Garmin device (except they contain data the watches can't record, notably power and resistance settings.

  • Even uploading a Garmin file will NOT calculate the metrics. 

    It's only triggered by recording on the device. Or it gets synced by garmin, by PhysioTru Up to the other device for calculation (including Zwift that is synced, not imported).

    Copying fit files between the devices will not trigger the calculation.

  • That takes us full circle back to my OP.  According to your second sentence, the metrics WILL be calculated through PhysioTru Up if Garmin decides to sync the activity with what you termed the "other device". Sounds like I need garmin to believe my FIT file came from a sync and not an upload, and I have a few ideas for that.

  • This is server based and not file based. The server will tell the device that it needs to process the received file during the sync process.

    This is not a new idea/request and is mainly ongoing since a lot of people are using indoor smart trainers with Zwift and similar apps.

    But until now, it was only garmin that enabled true up for Zwift. And a lot of guys tried to do that. 

    But if you have some ideas, i'll be happy to see your success .

  • Just to close the loop - I may have it working - my hand-built FIT file went to the server who chose to send it to my EPIX-2, I believe for TrueUp.  It appears on my EPIX as the "last activity" (which it was).  I think I have to wait a few hours or overnight to see how it might be factored into training load, etc., which will be the actual proof of success.

  • If it's handeled with TrueUp you immediately see the figures after sync. 

    If I remember right, even before the actual true up version, imported Garmin fit files were seen on other devices under "last activity". Thy were just synced. Without calculation. This was always done on the recording device. 

  • This is very frustrating issues with Garmin. Even having multiple Garmin devices Expix, Edge, and other watches...

    Until today Stress and Body Battery do not get synched. So when I drive with Edge and I leave the Epix at home, I finish with an unchanged body battery. As they do not get it to work between Garmin devices I doubt it will work with external files.

    Please Garmin, fix this!