Epix Gen 2: no way to have "Wrist Gesture" working during an activity with Always On Display set to OFF

So, I had posted some videos in that thread about mine (seems to work nicely).  Today I was at the gym (been sick all week, first day back) and both on the elliptical and spin bike it worked very nicely.  Last week before I got sick, my running experience was amazing with it as well.  I honestly don't think it needs to be more sensitive (would drain more battery), but I know in your use case when your arm is at a lower position, it takes more to get it to trigger (was also able to see that).  Just know tho, that in my case this never happens, and I wonder about others.  I mean, an inch difference in bar height can make a big difference based on what I saw..  so it really depends on many things.  

I don't believe that any other device would be any better.  I think if this is a big enough concern, you may want to go back to MIP F7 Pro where the screen is not a factor.  All of this is give and take to some extent.

If Garmin does not improve here and e.g. introduces a special activity-gesture-mode in daylight, the Fenix is indeed better. However, as I wrote before, the Fenix (I previously had the Fenix 6S) is not very good when it comes to map display. The Epix with the high-resolution display is really much better. Apart from the fact that the Fenix is at a disadvantage in the dark, compared to an AMOLED display. Basically, it shouldn't be a problem for Garmin to introduce a practical gesture control. For example, by taking the steepness of the arm out of the calculation. Of course, there may be more unwanted triggering, but in my opinion that only has a minor effect on the battery. And since the gesture mode can be switched off in principle, it is up to you whether you accept the additional battery consumption or not. You also have a choice with the GPS settings.

Anything that is "gesture related" is always going to work differently for different people and different scenarios and in general I think the gesture activation on my Epix is excellent.  I have no issues at all with *activating* the display via gesture, it works just about every time I want it to.  It often activates when I don't intend it to as well, so I certainly wouldn't want it any more sensitive.  For this reason I usually turn the display off (via the control carousel) after dark to avoid the repeated unintended illuminations. 

The issue I have is the sensitivity around the wrist gesture deactivation, ie the display turning off/dimming due to a gesture detection.  Works fine in daily use and also during most activities; no issues at all with walking, running, HIIT, strength.  But in some scenarios, particularly cycling, it is very hard to prevent the display turning off almost immediately after waking it up with a gesture, due to my natural forearm/wrist position on the bars. As I mentioned in my earlier post, simply adding an option to only use gesture to wake up the display and not use gesture to put it back to sleep would solve this issue 100% for me.  And with that simple change I would be completely happy with the gesture based display control.

Right, yeah that is a good use point.  I LOVE the deactivation of the gesture in daily wear (let's face it, that's 90% or more of the day, LOL).  But yes, I can see in activity such as bike where you need to have attention as much as possible on what you are doing for safety, this may be helpful.  

But thank God it deactivates for normal wear, or the battery would be much worse.

I really don’t understand what you are talking about here. I just tested mine and everything works as it should. In the activity - If the arm is down the display is off and as soon as arm is twisted up the display turns on and stays in full brightness for 8 seconds (in my case 15). Am I missing something here?

Akiakic: Please read the threat again carefully. The steepness of the arm is crucial. On the bike, when you have your hand on the handlebars, the arm angle is too steep and the watch immediately goes back to sleep mode. Only lifting the arm (arm angle less steep) leads to the behavior as you describe it. At least that's how it is for me (version 13.22, 14.23 and 14.24). If this is different for you when cycling, you either sit differently on the bike or your watch is different than mine.

I just wanted to let you know, that today on my run I was thinking about this thread and paid close attention.  It is true that the gesture activation is not great when the arm is downwards.  If I turn my wrist in, (even hard) when the arm is at waist level (like when running) and I try and look down, it won't really activate (maybe 1 out of 10 times).  But, as soon as I raise the arm up and then turn, it works.   So, you do have a valid point here.

Luckily, I am not running in the middle of the day (early am, or early evening) so I can actually see the AOD nicely.  But, just wanted you to know that I see it and your watch is not alone, LOL. 

7828711: Thanks for the feedback. In fact, the gesture control is quite useful when jogging. The arm normally oscillates at a fairly horizontal angle and with a slight twist the display becomes bright for the preset time. Unfortunately, this is different when cycling, as the arm usually remains motionless because you want to have a firm grip on the handlebars. In principle, it is safe to let go of the handlebars when riding on a good cycle path, but not e.g. on the trail or in heavy traffic on the road. In the end, I can live with the settings while jogging, but not when cycling in the sunshine, where the maximum display brightness is necessary to be able to see something. So I hope that Garmin will improve something in the near future.

The latest Beta update does NOT fix this issue. I have tried it on 2 epix watches.