Comparing Epix vs. Pixel Watch

Hey guys,

A BIT OR PRELUDE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I AM COMING FROM:

I am comparing my Epix 2 with my Pixel Watch to try to decide whether it is worth keeping the 900 EUR watch, or should I sell it and keep the Pixel Watch that I have. However, since everyone has different expectations from their watch, I will state mine. I am a 30 y/o dude, who is working in Tech business (aka most of the day I am quite stationary, sitting at the desk at work) and my primary fitness workouts (3-5 days a week, depends on my available time) involve weightlifting with HIITs in between days (I very rarely run, which is I believe quite opposite of majority of you). My expectations from watch are that they offer good enough smartwatch features (I dont need to reply to messages, but I want to clearly see them on watch), for fitness profiles I expect cool insights and accuracy with Strength / Weightlifting workouts, but I would prioritize the watch that has best Health & Wellness tracking (sleeping, stress management, heart rate, insights into how to improve my fitness / health).

Yesterday I tested them both with some Low Intensity / High Impact workout (intervals, weights, bodyweights), and both shown pretty much same results for Heart Rate zones and Heart rate averages. I also took them to sleep this night - I was pretty surprised that they both shown similar results. The biggest difference was that Epix detected Deep sleep in different stages than Pixel (for instance, Epix detected longer interval of deep sleep at once, while Pixel had more unique intervals throughout the night), but the total amount was about the same. Same goes for the heart rate (Epix recorded average 1bpm more through entire night) and the sleep score was the same. One thing I don't agree with Pixel is my 'Readiness Score', it says its Low and that I should rest - Garmin says that I am at Prime. Not sure why Pixel reports that, maybe I only wear it for too little time (3 nights / 4 days) and HRV is not accurate? No clue, but it always gives me low readiness, while I am definitely rested up and not sore at all. 

Below I will only list Epix cons, as it is Epix's forum. Feel free to ask me if you are curious something about Pixel.

EPIX CONS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE (MY EXPECTATIONS):

1. One thing that I noticed with my Epix is that it does not detect Steps indoor at all. For instance, I am working mostly from Home Office and I receive the warning for 'Move' at about same time on both watches. I stood up and measured my steps, by counting them moving through the rooms. Pixel was suprisingly spot on (maybe 1 step difference in total of cca. 50 steps), but Garmin didn't move its step counter at all. I then read online that you would need to move your hand quite forcefully to count it as moving - this is a bit of shame, since such movement doesn't feel natural at all, especially at home. Also, I like the Pixel's interface for the reminder - as it shows you how much steps it expects you to do and how far off are you from the goal for that hour, while Epix only says 'Move'.

2. I understand the intent of Garmin to be sports watch, hence the battery life is important and one of the important factors on battery life is the Display quality. However, once you see Pixel or Apple Watch displays - man, it is hard for me to put those away. The quality is crisp and the animations are soo smooth (scrolling, moving,..). I wish Garmin will lin future would be able to offer watch like Epix with one version of it to be 'Pro' and the other 'Athlete'. Where Pro would have better display quality and animations, and some more smartwatch features - by sacrificing battery life. This would be similar to Venu 2 Plus, which I also owned before Epix 2, but that watch did not have the 'premium' feel of smartwatch features like Apple Watch or Pixel yet it also did not have all the cool fitness / health features like Epix 2 has. That is why Venu 2 Plus is not a good alternative (at least with the current version).

3. What probably surprised me the most is one quite simple thing - Map navigation throughout cities, because I thought this is where Garmin comes from (navigation). I was traveling for work to Paris last week and I brought the watch with me. Since I do not know Paris well, I had to use Google Maps to help me navigate the streets to my destinations. I set up everything on my phone and realized, that I can't utilize my Epix 2 for this. Instead I had to pull out my Phone everytime I wanted to check whether I am on track. I assume there is a workaround on Garmin, where I would need to abuse some of the 'Hiking' or 'Run' workouts? But as far as I recall, I couldn't enter an address into the Maps? Anyway, this is something that Pixel Watch does pretty well, when I set up navigation on Phone, it will instantly mimic it on my Watch, so I didn't to pull out my phone all the time.

3. I also do not like that Epix is still 'active' even if I am not wearing it. Lets say I go shower or put the watch off for some time. I can hear it vibrate for every notification that I receive on mobile, even if I am not wearing it. Pixel does not do that, which I prefer. 

4. This one is minor, but I also noticed that Epix is very sensitive to some vibrations - when I don't wear it, the  display keeps lighting up. For instance, I have it now next to keyboard while I type this and I keep seeing the display turning on as I type on keyboard. A bit annoying, but not a big issue though.

5. Not directly connected with Epix 2, but rather Garmin - I feel like it is a very slow moving engine in terms of development of new major features. I believe that Mobile App / Web App could be updated to be more modern (even though Web App states 'modern' in URL). I would love if Garmin could also put some focus on Health & Wellness insights a bit more (e.g. Fitbit gives you almost daily some insights about your patterns, even if I wear it only for few days, compared to Epix 2 which I have for few months), if it detects some bad sleep score and if you enter your calories in-take .. it might suggest you to not eat soo late to get better sleep, etc. I do love the Beta Programs (I am enrolled), and I can see they are working on new versions, but it is hardly clear what is the focus of next release - what is the roadmap of new features instead of bug fixes? Will there be like major OS releases, like Pixel is expected to have with every year? I think Garmin has strong advantage that they have been in game for quite a while and have he metrics available, maybe it would be cool to focus on providing more new features with the metrics they have.


This is what I have so far as for the cons. Note please that these are only the cons, meaning that with everything else I really do enjoy Epix 2 (battery life, ability to create workouts and launch them from watch, ability to split sets on the watch for strength training, decent sleep tracking, etc etc).

I will share my one biggest downside of Pixel Watch - surprisingly, it is not battery life (I don't mind charging it daily) - it is actually the small form-factor. From my perspective, if it would be bigger, I think I wouldn't be doing any comparisons at all, because Pixel watch does stuff that I expect from it good enough (although Garmin does few things definitely better in fitness department!), but also has great WearOS and display quality. However, since it is quite small, I always kinda grab Epix 2 first to put on my arm if I go outside, as it looks better on my arm. Hence, I am contemplating back and forth between them. And since Epix 2 is not a cheap watch, I am trying to decide whether it is worth keeping it as a 'non-primary watch', and put it on during my workouts or when I go hiking or something like that.



I was wondering though, for any of my Cons listed above, do you guys maybe know if there are some solutions? E.g. for steps inaccuracy? Or my watch reacting to notifications even if it's not worn?




  • Forgot to add, but it was anyway a too long post (sorry). Recently I started to speculate whether Apple Watch Ultra would be something what is 'perfect' for my expectations. Although it would mean that I need to also switch my Android phone with an iPhone, so it's rather a bigger investment into that, but a suitable smartwatch is more important to me than a phone (because nowadays I believe iPhone's features are not too behind on Android, at least not in things I would everyday need for work, the only thing that would be hassle is migrating from Google Photos to iCloud stuff). But I do think Apple might be lacking behind both Fitbit and Garmin when it comes to Health features and insights (not sure that Apple Health is good for that).

  • A few words regarding your cons as an owner of a Fenix 7:

    1. My observation ist that the step counting is very sensitive. Please check your config regarding the wearing position (left/right). And sometimes the step counter is updated with a delay. You don't need to move your arms in a special way to get your steps counted. 

    2. The smoothness of the animations correlates with the CPU power and the power consumption. There are a lot of offers of watches with smooth animations and short battery times. And, fortunately, Garmin offers watches with the same functionality but much longer battery times. That's the premium feature of those Garmin watches and I see no advantage for me as customer to change this into the same "nice animations, short battery time" watch like all the others.

    If the animation is more important than the battery time the Epix is not the right watch for you. As mentioned, there are a huge number of other smart watches with such features and there is no need to transform the Epix/Fenix into that uniformity.

  • Thanks for sharing that Michael. I am not sure what is wrong with the Step counter, I do have all the settings correct. I checked also the settings for movement, and all is turned ON. I am thinking it could be due to the fact that I am indoor? But not sure, I've read on Garmin Support pages that you actually would need to mimic the movement of arm as if you walk to have precise count. That is why they also mentioned on that page, that things like washing hands or taking shower could count towards steps, see here:
    My Garmin Watch is Not Accurately Counting Steps | Garmin Customer Support

    They also mentioned like pushing a cart won't count your steps, because you do not move arm enough.

    As for the second point - I agree, I think Epix 2 offers way too much fitness / outdoor stuff that I will never use, as I am not a runner / cyclist / hiker, etc. Rather I exercise at gym or at home with weights. Occasionally I do some hiking on trips with my families, but I believe a watch like Apple Watch Ultra would be good enough for those occasions. 

    Did you perhaps at any time checked Apple Watch Ultra? Do you see any major downsides to it - apart of perhaps battery life and Apple ecosystem?

    Thanks for your input.

  • No, it counts also indoor without any problems. Even walking with the hands in my pockets. My impression is that it's very sensitive. Maybe you could do a test with another person and the same watch. If the problem persists there is something wrong with that specific watch.

    What is not very sensitive is the counting of the stairs/floors. Especially if you don't climb the stairs like a 90 years old grandma. I get only about 60% counted...

    Regarding the Apple Watch Ultra: I don't have any experience with Apple products. I wouldn't change my ecosystem to go with a specific watch. And I like the Garmin Connect features, it's extensive functionality out of the box and the amount of available products which are connected by that Garmin app.

  • Thanks - I will think about it, but it might be that I decide to give Apple Watch Ultra a try, since I am allowed to get one company phone for free, and that's where I could get the iPhone (since I already own personally Pixel 6 Pro). Anyhow, thanks for your thoughts Michael!

  • 3. The included maps does not contain car navigation. You can download free thirdparty maps that does and I believe you can also buy maps from garmin that has it. Othewise nagivation should be possible, though you cannot do an address search.

  • Hi David, I understand your doubts and I have no definitive answers for you but I want to tell you my experience hoping it can help. I moved from AW to Epix (it is my first Garmin watch) and one thing I can say for sure is that I will not move back to AW or any other Pixel watch anytime soon. The reasons for me are:

    1) I can't stand touch screens anymore. They are everywhere even when they have no sense at all; in my experience watches are a place where touch screens provide just a nice addition but buttons shine: they are so powerful that I will not buy a watch with just one or two buttons anymore.

    2) Battery life. I used to charge the AW every day as you: I was ok with that but once you get accustomed with 16 days of battery life I'm not sure you'll be willing to trade them back for a fancy animation. TBH, I'm thinking about Fenix just to have a real always on display. My main gripe here is about resolution of fenix which is far behind epix. Maybe fenix 8 will improve that.

    3) Personalization. AW is flexible like a steel bar in terms of things you can customize. Once you try an AW, you tried them all. Epix is a swiss knife and you can configure nearly any aspect of it. I enjoy this even if I'm an iPhone user :D

    4) Software upgrades and vision. AW software upgrades introduce new main functionality once per year. You don't know what will come and how it will work. New functionalities follow the vision of their parent company: in case of AW, it seems to me they want it to be an extension of the iPhone and, more broadly, a way to push their sales strategy/app store. What I love a lot of my Epix is that it can work perfectly without any mobile phone. I can see all stats and details about activities from the watch itself. Software upgrades introduce a lot of new functionalities every 3 months and I enjoyed several upgrades without any issues.

    5) Navigation. I don't use Epix to navigate across cities as I do with Google Maps; in this use case, there is no competition, phones win hands down. I do use navigation when I run doing route planning and, for this, Epix is perfect; no need to grab my phone: everything is on my wrist and map is clear, legible and I have alerts when I have to turn. Battery life is the real enabler of this functionality especially when you run several hours (I never went beyond 2 hours but many runners/bikers are doing that). My old AW was so old that it could not stay powered more than 40 minutes while tracking activities but I was speaking with a cyclist with a really recent AW that wasn't able to track his sessions entirely due to the tracking and the need to use an external app to plot the route.

    Is everything perfect with Epix? No, it's not. For example I don't like the app (but I do love the web app.. something that Apple will never implement), there is no way to do a good backup of your settings and I have a lot of concerns about Garmin ability to improve a code base that in my opinion added to many functionalities over time layered on some weak foundations. It's hard for me to explain some regressions you see sometimes from one version to another without doubting about how the code evolved in the last 10 years. To exacerbate this problem, there is the fact that Garmin has so many different lines of watches with different code bases while Apple and Google have just one watch (and tons of additional engineering resources)

    Anyway I do feel positive about the future even because there is a lot of competition working very hard such Coros and Amazfit that follow the same vision I love of Garmin. Ultimately I believe Garmin will benefit of these competitors and things will improve over time.

  • 3. I also do not like that Epix is still 'active' even if I am not wearing it. Lets say I go shower or put the watch off for some time. I can hear it vibrate for every notification that I receive on mobile, even if I am not wearing it.

    I completely agree with this. Would have been great if no notifications while not wearing. 

    4. This one is minor, but I also noticed that Epix is very sensitive to some vibrations - when I don't wear it, the  display keeps lighting up.

    This one annoys me as well. Would have been great if not lit up while not wearing the watch

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 2 years ago in reply to SETM

    I switch from AW to Epix . Don’t have any regrets. Like few days of battery life , no need to charge every day .

    As for new features no idea how often Garmin introduces them. 

  • It sounds like the Pixel watch is the right fit for you. I don't have one and I will never own one, but I used an AW5 years ago for some time and realised, that while some of the smart watch features are nice and useful, the looks, the battery life and the health iinsights are lacking...at least for me.

    The AW looks like a mini iPhone but I think the Pixel looks even worse. I prefer the more rugged looks of the Fenix/Epic lineup. What I love, is the fact that I can pair my Epix with a s***load of sensors. My Concept2 Rower and Bike, external HR monitors, power meters and radar on my MTB and everything works pretty much out of the box. The battery life is something I would definetely miss. I had the Enduro 2 for a couple of month, but I tend to like the Epix screen much better due to my old eyes and the Epix gives me 8+9 days on average, which is sufficient.

    I hope the Gramin will produce and Epix X (with a flashlight) and keep improving the SW, especially GC which could definitely use some major updates. At this point in time, I can't imagine any scenario which would make me leave the Garmin environment and go the AW/PW.