Training load and VO2max for alternative sports

Hi all,

it seems that in my Connect app only cycling (Edge530) and running (Fenix 5 X) activities are considered in the training load and VO2max calculations.

As I do a lot of skimo training during winter with also very intense activities, I would like to have those considered in the calculations as well.

Am I using a wrong app on the Fenix? The Garmin Skimo app always saves the activities as mountaineering, not SkiMo.

Thank you, best regards Didi

0 Daniel_Ilg over 4 years ago

Hi,

Training load is calculated, VO2max is not calculated. What you could try is to use the walk activity for the uphill sections which calculates VO2max.

0 tmk2 over 4 years ago in reply to Daniel_Ilg

But since the watch is unaware of what conditions are on the trail (i.e. how much resistance the terrain gives), the VO2 max calculation in such a scenario will make absolutely no sense. There is a reason why vo2max calculation is done for selected sport types only (and even these work on many assumptions).

0 Daniel_Ilg over 4 years ago in reply to tmk2

It never makes sense it's about identifying trends.

And Vo2max measurement on trails will be rolled out soon to the latest watches (not our old Fenixes of course).

0 tmk2 over 4 years ago in reply to Daniel_Ilg

Daniel_Ilg said:
it's about identifying trends.

Not quite. Vo2max is a precisely defined absolute value. And even if all you care about is identifying trends, then those trends would only work if you exercised in the same terrain conditions all the time. For example things like snow type and depth affect your pace very significantly, and the watch does not know what kind of snow you walk in, and how much resistance it provides. How, then, could it decide why you move slowly? Is it because of snow or are you out of shape?

Daniel_Ilg said:
And Vo2max measurement on trails will be rolled out soon

I bet it will work reliably only when certain conditions are met, and will give unpredictable results in many cases.

0 Didi_N over 4 years ago

Hi all, thanks for your replies.

It's more about training load than VO2max.

It seems that the efforts are not considered in the training load and trainig state calculations.

I did a skimo basecamp everesting last saturday, 6h45' of ascent with 90% of threshold HR and the watch says recovery state...

0 Daniel_Ilg over 4 years ago in reply to Didi_N

I collect training load at ski tours.

Did a very hard ski tour and had 5.0 as training effect that day. My training load spiked accordingly.

0 Didi_N over 4 years ago in reply to Daniel_Ilg

Hi,

the training effect is shown in the activity details

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But not considered in the training state calculations

0 Daniel_Ilg over 4 years ago in reply to Didi_N

That's weird. I must admit I use the cross country skiing profile for recording my ski tours. Maybe that's why my training load is impacted whereas yours is not? Which profile are you using, Didi_N?

0 Daniel_Ilg over 4 years ago in reply to Didi_N

Off topic: oh, you were participating at that Everesting challenge at Hoadl. Nice!

0 Didi_N over 4 years ago in reply to Daniel_Ilg

Ok, should try that too. As I saw a few others doing exactly the same, recording as XC.
I'm using a standard Garmin "Skitour" app