Why GPS in 5 plus is SO bad (SOLVED)

Especially on small circles like 200m track. Look on the image! Actually, it is the worst image I ever seen on Strava! Compare my new 5 plus (on the top) and iPhone (bottom). Even cheapest Android costs 10x less than Fenix has much better GPS performance. Even my old Vivocative HR had MUCH better tracks. Now I shame to publish my runs from my 700 euro device, they look just terrible. I can't understand how Garmin was able to make a product with SO bad performance of its MAJOR feature.

Fenix 5 Plus vs. iPhone X GPS Performance

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to Nik_Riaz

    Send it back and buy the Polar. That's a serious recommendation.

  • I probably would love to. I bought them in the Russia and the local legislation does not allow returns for "technically advanced devices". Garmin as well all other manufacturers like this law. I can only claim for repair or trade them out on the secondary market. Anyone is willing to buy my 2-weeks-old watches? :) 

  • Those loops are slightly bigger than yours, at around 800-1K circunference whereas your's are 200m? I'd say there's some possible hardware fault there as even allowing for GPS's inherent errors there's no way it should be that random. Seeing the spikes, it almost looks like it's either tracking position at a reduced interval or you're very very fast!

    I'll browse through my activities but I don't do much loops as I tend to distance, which as you saw, seems to be better tracked....

    Phone's are hard to compare to for many reasons, especially using AGPS - but the fact you have tested another wrist-born GPS and found it ok does suggest either a hardware fault ot some weird GPS software bug.

    Also note mine's in a very very open area. So GPS reflections etc arent an issue. Although there is some tree cover, it doesn't seem to be an issue here.

    As an aside, and merely for testing purposes, have you tried the beta 2.51 GPS update to see if that's any better. It mentions open water swimming, which is a challenge in itself. But the improvements may be relevant to you.

    I'd also second trying some 200m loops elsewhere to see if there's some weird geographic anomaly that's affecting the Fenix adversely and it alone. There's one area by me I run, that has quite a density of HT power lines. People claim they shouldn't affect GPS but my tracks in that area are always terrible. You can see on the trace where I enter the area as I seem to become a very drunken runner, and then when I leave the area it goes ok again....

    I know it sounds a bit pointless, but that way you can go back to Garmin and say look "I tested it here, and here and with this and that and it's still terrible". Because, yes, thats frankly terrible tracking...

  • Oh, and again apologies if you've already answered this - but is this 1-second sampling or smart?

  • Ignore that seen you've already answered that! Did you try smart by any chance?

  •  Here's the 'power line' area I was talking about - thats about 500-800m long IIRC, and as you can see the green line is the path I ran. The tree cover isn't as bad as it looks there, there is good sky visibility but the area is always bad for me. It's a shame as I love the area..

    And one last thought here.

    As the Fenix is marketed more as an outdoor recreation watch, I'm wondering if it's tailored to long distance tracking rather than track - and the forerunner series may be better at those short circles type runs because typically it's a runners watch and runners do track! I'm not excusing it, I'm just wondering if the Fenix's software is more geared to long distance, long time scale tracking ... The proof of the pudding is seeing if someone with a modern Forerunner has done these sort of size tracks and found them better...

    At least that way perhaps, armed with these tracks, you could pressurize Garmin into exchanging it for a Forerunner 945 IF you find that someone with one can do that sort of track and have nowhere near as bad a track!

    In fact, as you're getting a dearth of replies for someone to show their 200m tracks, perhaps pop over to the FR945 forum and ask if anyone has 200m track traces there? That would probably answer the question?

  • AJRykala, thanks for your suggestions. Yep, I think it is good idea to try 2.51. Will do today and will report. 

    On distances like you posted I found that F5+ performs okay. The small curves are the problem.
    Although I've seen a post on some Internet forum where one compared many tracks of Moscow half-marathon and found that Fenix series were worst even though there are a lot of open straights.  He found 945 with Sony chip as more reliable though not as good as other wearables. This exercise is open for everyone: most Strava profiles are open. 

    I don't think that GPS software is different in same-generation models like F5+ vs. 935 or others.
    In fact, I perceived marketing F5+ as "all-in-one" product with maximum sport features combined with good portion of everyday-use features. I was wrong, I'm really disappointed. I initially liked 945 more because of GPS and its weight but chose F5+ because of much more solid look compatible with suit and because too many claims on 945 buttons. I simply couldn't imagine that F5+ GPS SO bad. 

  • Oh, it looks cool. Is there 200m (or so...) track? Not "full" 400m? 

  • Шалом! Я вылечил неточность в Москве подключив Galileo + GPS, недавно прикупил 530 велокомп - и точность моих Фениксов на уровне этого устройства. Пробовал айфоном 10 треки мерить - как раз там дикий разброс +- 20 метров