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Does Garmin understand the impact of faulty hardware, firmware and lousy support?

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It seems like Garmin is not paying attention to fixing bugs reported for the Fenix 5x series, especially with Fenix 6 series on the horizon. They are forgetting how much damage bugs and Garmin’s response to those bugs may do to the brand and more importantly, their bottom line ($). Not everyone buys the 5 series watches as soon as those devices are launched - tens of thousands of people buy the watches much later than the launch time frame, and around this time, which is the end of the cycle for the 5 series. If these buyers face bugs and Garmin is not paying attention or fixing these bugs, the buyers will return the watch (probably more than once) and tell other people not to buy Garmin.

Just for the returns, think about how many people return the products if the device hardware or the software is buggy. As a conservative scenario, let’s say 10,000 people return the Garmin Fenix 5x plus around this time (which is the end of cycle of Fenix 5 series) and half of them return the device twice - that’s 15,000 returns for about $650 (approximate average of the prices for different Fenix 5x models) per watch, which is about $10M - think about that. Even if Garmin has factored in these financial damages in the pricing of its models, there’s always a threshold (due to returns) beyond which the financial impact is serious. I’m not sure Garmin realizes this or is ignoring this. 

I’m curious how their financials look. They’re ignoring the quality of the software, especially - they don’t seem to have developers who can fix issues quickly, or at all.

Let me preempt the people who will say the bugs are faced by a fraction of the people. No, not true. Most people do not report bugs or even understand if it’s a bug, but they will return the device if they think that’s how just the device works or does not work for them. And for comparison, think about any product that charges as much as Garmin does for their devices (e.g., phones, watches, other electronics) - these products may have bugs but they work perfectly well for their core functionality (e.g., iPhone, Pixel phones, Apple Watch, Galaxy watches). These products do not have bugs so severe that the products become useless. Garmin’s watches, especially due to it’s software, appears to be always in a sub-beta state. Just charging premium prices does not make the product premium - you have to earn the premium reputation through products which work with high-quality throughout - hardware, software AND customer support.

Hope someone from Garmin senior leadership sees this post and comments. I’d love to have a discussion since I, like many others, expected the “premium” Garmin watches to work much better than they did for me as a first-time buyer after paying the amount I did. 

  • I've had a 5 plus since March, and the only issue I've had with it is once in a while, I have to turn the Bluetooth off on my phone and turn it back on (iPhone 8 Plus) so the watch receives notifications.  That's it.  I use my watch for running, hiking, trail running, biking, golf, and yoga, and have zero issues with the sport functionality.  The screen still looks like new (despite a few trail spills along the way, banging into concrete, etc.), even if the titanium is scuffed a bit.  Adds character, though!  Slight smile   No, the watch is great.  Every Forerunner I've had to date has had some sort of problem, but this watch has been great for me so far.  I've noticed the Fenix customers on this forum are MUCH nitpickier than the Forerunner customers.  Personally, I bought this watch because I wanted a more robust 935 (I thrashed mine.. my wife uses its replacement and it's still ticking), and haven't been let down.  I've found Garmin's service to be uniformly excellent; they've replaced every Forerunner I totaled, whether or not it was my fault, free of charge.  Even out of warranty!  The only thing that could get me to replace this watch is cellular connectivity.  I absolutely hate taking a phone on my trail runs, but sometimes have to if I'm somewhere remote in case I find my leg meeting a rock in an unfortunate spot.  

    TL;DR  Fenix customers are overly picky IMO.  

  • To be clear, I was not assuming anything, just wondering what happens to nearly new devices... 

  •   I've noticed the Fenix customers on this forum are MUCH nitpickier than the Forerunner customers.

    I think Forum customers in general tend to be more critical. I have so many Fenix owners in my circle of friends that are exceedingly happy with their watches. Garmin's outdoor division revenue was up almost 22% in 2018, so they seem to be doing quite well overall. I've owned a 5x, and now own a  5x plus and a MARQ. All 3 have been solid and seen me through thousands of miles of running and plenty of other adventures. By nature, I tend to cast a critical eye on UI/UX issues and have shared some of that feedback with the beta team, but for core sport functionality I've had little to no issues with any of these watches.

  • TL;DR  Fenix customers are overly picky IMO.

    ...and some don’t know how to use the watch properly and fault the watch and/or Garmin. I’ve learned who those people are on this forum.