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Does Garmin understand the impact of faulty hardware, firmware and lousy support?

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It seems like Garmin is not paying attention to fixing bugs reported for the Fenix 5x series, especially with Fenix 6 series on the horizon. They are forgetting how much damage bugs and Garmin’s response to those bugs may do to the brand and more importantly, their bottom line ($). Not everyone buys the 5 series watches as soon as those devices are launched - tens of thousands of people buy the watches much later than the launch time frame, and around this time, which is the end of the cycle for the 5 series. If these buyers face bugs and Garmin is not paying attention or fixing these bugs, the buyers will return the watch (probably more than once) and tell other people not to buy Garmin.

Just for the returns, think about how many people return the products if the device hardware or the software is buggy. As a conservative scenario, let’s say 10,000 people return the Garmin Fenix 5x plus around this time (which is the end of cycle of Fenix 5 series) and half of them return the device twice - that’s 15,000 returns for about $650 (approximate average of the prices for different Fenix 5x models) per watch, which is about $10M - think about that. Even if Garmin has factored in these financial damages in the pricing of its models, there’s always a threshold (due to returns) beyond which the financial impact is serious. I’m not sure Garmin realizes this or is ignoring this. 

I’m curious how their financials look. They’re ignoring the quality of the software, especially - they don’t seem to have developers who can fix issues quickly, or at all.

Let me preempt the people who will say the bugs are faced by a fraction of the people. No, not true. Most people do not report bugs or even understand if it’s a bug, but they will return the device if they think that’s how just the device works or does not work for them. And for comparison, think about any product that charges as much as Garmin does for their devices (e.g., phones, watches, other electronics) - these products may have bugs but they work perfectly well for their core functionality (e.g., iPhone, Pixel phones, Apple Watch, Galaxy watches). These products do not have bugs so severe that the products become useless. Garmin’s watches, especially due to it’s software, appears to be always in a sub-beta state. Just charging premium prices does not make the product premium - you have to earn the premium reputation through products which work with high-quality throughout - hardware, software AND customer support.

Hope someone from Garmin senior leadership sees this post and comments. I’d love to have a discussion since I, like many others, expected the “premium” Garmin watches to work much better than they did for me as a first-time buyer after paying the amount I did. 

  • They're definitely focussing on getting the F6 series out which is based on a significantly different hardware.  Bad news for the F5 series I'm afraid as there will definitely be no new features added Rolling eyesto it and the rate of  fixes will slow down. 

    Will be selling my F5 plus soon and either getting a f6 or a 945 if that turns out to be too expensive.  I expect the f6 could be as much as $850-900. Rolling eyes

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to peakrodent

    Really, considering they're still releasing firmware for the F3 series - i'd say yes, feature release will slow - but that's endemic to any piece of hardware. But the F5 is still sold, and still does EVERYTHING you bought if for.

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    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to Former Member

    And I've found Garmin to be very good - when I had a F5 physical fault they fixed it for free out of warranty. So I don't agree with the OP at all.

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    0 Former Member over 5 years ago

    Just for the returns, think about how many people return the products if the device hardware or the software is buggy. As a conservative scenario, let’s say 10,000 people return the Garmin Fenix 5x plus around this time (which is the end of cycle of Fenix 5 series) and half of them return the device twice - that’s 15,000 returns for about $650 (approximate average of the prices for different Fenix 5x models) per watch, which is about $10M - think about that. Even if Garmin has factored in these financial damages in the pricing of its models, there’s always a threshold (due to returns) beyond which the financial impact is serious. I’m not sure Garmin realizes this or is ignoring this. 

    I’m curious how their financials look. They’re ignoring the quality of the software, especially - they don’t seem to have developers who can fix issues quickly, or at all.

    Let me preempt the people who will say the bugs are faced by a fraction of the people. No, not true. Most people do not report bugs or even understand if it’s a bug, but they will return the device if they think that’s how just the device works or does not work for them

    And all speculation, because there are no numbers available. You're interpretation is not supported by any current information out there bar your own experience with one watch it seems.

  • Most people do not report bugs or even understand if it’s a bug, but they will return the device if they think that’s how just the device works or does not work for them.

    And your evidence base for this is what? Conjecture? Surely going by your maths, and your speculation based on forum posts, Garmin should be going out of business by now? You've not even looked at Garmin's latest financials despite your curiosity. Maybe you should as they hardly look like a company in distress.

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    0 Former Member over 5 years ago
    As a conservative scenario, let’s say 10,000 people return the Garmin Fenix 5x plus around this time (which is the end of cycle of Fenix 5 series) and half of them return the device twice - that’s 15,000 returns for about $650 (approximate average of the prices for different Fenix 5x models) per watch, which is about $10M

    Conservative scenario?  Show me even a 100 post of returned Fenix 5X Plus models.  Even if you factor in people who don't post on these forums, where are you coming up with 10,000 returns and then half of those returning their watch a second time for a total of 15,000?

    Let me preempt the people who will say the bugs are faced by a fraction of the people. No, not true. Most people do not report bugs or even understand if it’s a bug, but they will return the device if they think that’s how just the device works or does not work for them

    What do you mean by "No, not true."?  How do you know that most people do not report or even no if they have a bug?  Where are you referencing this?  You're assuming that every returned watch has a bug.  What about the watches that don't have issues, but are returned because the user doesn't understand how a feature works and they believe the watch is faulty?  Those that don't understand the limitations of the oHRM are perfect examples.  The purpose of these forums are to assist others who are having issues or to answer questions about features.  How many threads have been started with "No problems with my Fenix 5X" and a series of replies that read "me too."?  I once attended a class on customer satisfaction.  A study showed that 88% of customers were happy with their purchase, but for every positive review, there were 12 negative reviews.  Because people tend to be more vocal when they're unhappy.  If this holds true with Garmin, then it is a fraction who are faced with bugs and these forums are misleading when considering the actual number of faulty units.

  • Even if consumers return the watches, Garmin is probably still selling them with a lower price as refurbished units, or changing for broken units as refurbished replacements. I mean they still sell it someway. As real production cost is probably much cheaper than the selling price they've got good profits I'm sure.

  • .....and lousy support?? 

    I have had issues with both my Fenix 5 and Fenix 5X plus. Returned them (Garmin told me to) and got new from Garmin Norway quickly as hell. 

    OUTSTANDING service from them! All in all I have to say I am very happy with my Garmin units and will buy again when needed. 

  • I'm on my 3rd F5+ now. I wonder what happened to the first two. Shredded? Refurbished? Sold again as new? At any rate, Garmin is NOT the best software developing company and instead of running dozens of models in any category they should simplify their portfolio and focus on quality iMHO

  • As I posted above, I have had issues with two Fenix units. Both times I got a brand new device. You cant just assume that Garmin gives out "trashed" units or sell bad, refurbished units as new devices. Btw, its illegal to refurbish and sell as new without  informing customer. If you buy new, you get new.