R10 now coming up 20-30 yards short with Irons and driver

Just purchased the device and after 2 weeks of use my shots are consistently 20-30 yards short?  I am using the RTC balls so that is not the issue and setup indoors is exactly the same?  10ft from my screen and 7 ft from the tee and still >20 yards short.  Almost ready to return it -Please advise.  Was there a recent update?   Also I noticed that to get dialed in more I now have to register a swing speed of over 100mph which I've never had to do until recently.  Previous, about a week ago, my 95mph swing was only about 10yds short which I could live with.  Please advise

  • The wood post to the right, the back net  (not shown) is 14’ away, Garmin sits on the small platform 7’ back. 

    as mentioned above, the gap between the hitting platform and the Garmin platform could be an issue. 

    I'm going to move everything 2’ away from the wood post to see if that post provides noise to the radar. 

  • Ok.

    I would not rule this out as wrong.

    Your smash factor is low. Ball speed is normally an accurate measurement, so a smash factor of 1,32 is basically 0.1 too low.

    A good centre hit on the driver should give a smash factor of approx 1,45 to 1,5. And with CHS of 90 give a ball speed of 130-135.

    You have ball speed of 126 in this measurement. 135 would give You approx 20 yds more carry.

    In addition Your launch angle is a bit high. Either You have a lofted driver (12 deg?), or You hit very much up on the ball. Hitting up is not bad as it will reduce backspin and give further carry.

    An alternative is hitting down on the ball, high on clubface, giving a high launch with a lot of backspin. This will kill Your carry. I kind of suspect this due to the low smash factor.

    Check Your aoa and backspin.

    Ideally the aoa should be positive 3-5 degrees, giving You a vla of 13-15 degree with a 10 degree driver.

    Backspin should be 2000-2500, and certainly not above 3000.

  • Backspin is 5185 and Attack Angle is -2.9. 
    10.5 driver dialed down 1.5deg to 9.0. 
    Launch angle 17.8 deg

  • Ok, so then You know why Garmin gives You the yardage.

    It may be a misread, but if the measurement is correct, the distance calculation is correct based on the high backspin.

    Your aoa should be 3-5 degree positive (up), and backspin should be half. That would give You at least 20 yds more carry.

  • Your feedback is all assuming the readings are correct. Yet on the range, the way this shot felt would result in a ~200 carry and 235 total yards.  I want to find the change to my home outdoor setup that gets the Garmin to show those results.  It is frustrating and futile to play these weekend tournaments when a decent driver shot only registers 175 yards!

  • No, I'm not assuming the readings are correct. "It may be a misread"..

    But it explains what the Garmin is reading.

    If the aoa is wrong, and the vla is wrong, and the backspin is wrong, then I would assume the Garmin is tilted forward.

    Do You calibrate the unit before a session, it it level?

    RCT balls will measure spin, are You using those?

    The Garmin is not a 20k usd unit, but in my opinion it is a fantastic device used correctly. I don't like the Garmin Golf app, so I use GSPro. But I haven't really compared the numbers between Garmin Golf app and GSPro, as I can not compare same shot directly. And at my level, comparing 2 different shots makes no sense.

    But I definately know that aiming and levelling/calibrating is needed in order to get good results. Garbage in, garbage out. Your swing speed is quite similar to mine, and the Garmin unit gives me spot on distances compared to real life. But I'm using it in a garage with level floor. GSPro calibrates the unit every time, and all is fine.

    I believe hitting into a net can cause issues with ball speed dropping slower than hitting into a impact screen. But I don't know how the unit measures ball speed. And in any case vla should not be wrong.

    Backspin using a normal ball, not RCT ball, is a calculated metric. And it is based on Your aoa and vla.

    And if those are wrong (impossible for me to say of course), then the yardage will be wrong.

    Guess my point is that it is probably nothing wrong with the unit as such. But to conclude from there is not easy. Go to SGT discord channel where the discussion is better, and where You will get more replies from other users. I'm playing a bit with a high speed camera in front of the ball, which I believe is the only current way of recording ball strikes. Of course powdering club face is another. I don't really know if I hit the centre, high, low, toe, heel, up or down on the ball. Filming it does.

    I will pick up on this again, but currently the course has opened, and I find it still more fun to play real golf than simulated.

  • Thanks for the discussion and feedback. I’ll hit shots into a screen (painter drop cloth), and will try somehow to get the continuous platform between the Garmin and my hitting mat. Those 2 things may help accuracy.  RCT balls are probably worth trying  

    I do calibrate the unit every time. I played today and achieved multiple 230-235 drives on fairly level ground here in Texas. 

  • I tested with Titleist RCT balls. 
    14’ tee to net. 6’6” Garmin to tee

    5 shots with normal ball (est spin rates)

    5 shots with RCT ball (measured spin rates)

    5 shots with 5’ tall drop cloth 

    5 shots with 5’ tall drop cloth, RCT balls

    ( the anomalies were removed in each group; leaving as few as 3 shots 

    Club speed

    Attack Angle

    Ball Speed

    Smash Factor

    Launch Angle

    Backspin

    Sidespin

    Spin Rate

    Spin Rate Type

    Apex Height

    Carry Distance

    Carry Deviation Distance

    Total Distance

    Air Density

    Temperature

    NORMAL BALL

    86.0

    1.7

    120.3

    1.4

    17.5

    4617.2

    -508.7

    4648.8

    Estimated

    31.0

    174.6

    8.3

    185.2

    RCT BALL

    88.2

    3.2

    122.5

    1.4

    18.7

    4735.0

    -510.5

    4765.0

    Measured

    34.7

    178.4

    3.9

    188.3

    1.2

    70.0

    NORMAL BALL, screen

    87.0

    2.6

    121.1

    1.4

    18.1

    4697.8

    -471.8

    4727.3

    Estimated

    32.6

    176.1

    5.1

    186.0

    1.2

    70.0

    RCT ball, screen

    83.1

    2.0

    118.4

    1.4

    19.2

    3829.6

    -378.4

    3849.6

    Measured

    31.6

    176.7

    12.5

    188.7

    1.2

    70.0

     

  • The RCT ball didn’t improve distances

     The screen/drop cloth didn’t improve the radar performance

    next test is to get a continuous surface between the Garmin and the hitting platform…

    Remember: this Garmin reads quite well in the flat range- 230-240 yards drives