These are simple examples of using the site to find suitable watches. In my opinion, it’s quite convenient, there are a lot of watches, there are even more features, there is the ability to search and…
There is a great compare function at the Garmin web site. You can compare up to 4 watches. What I usually do is that I take a top watch like Fenix 7 Pro or Forerunner 965 and then compare it with the lower…
They don't even provide a good way to compare their products
As e7andy wrote, they do, and the fact that some old models like the FR245 do not support power meters is very clearly visible…
These are simple examples of using the site to find suitable watches. In my opinion, it’s quite convenient, there are a lot of watches, there are even more features, there is the ability to search and compare. Choosing a watch is not an easy task (objectively) and requires effort and time.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/c/wearables-smartwatches/
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/628939#specs
Would the seller be willing to reduce the difference in capabilities between inexpensive and expensive models while maintaining the difference in price...? Are you serious?
There is a great compare function at the Garmin web site. You can compare up to 4 watches. What I usually do is that I take a top watch like Fenix 7 Pro or Forerunner 965 and then compare it with the lower watches to see what functions will be missing if I choose the lower models.
They don't even provide a good way to compare their products
As e7andy wrote, they do, and the fact that some old models like the FR245 do not support power meters is very clearly visible there:
While I managed to connect to the power meter and see it appear in Garmin Connect, it ultimately didn't affect the training status calculation.
Training Status is being calculated by the device (typically the watch, or the cycling computer). If you have no compatible device supporting power meters, then a standalone powermeter won't help, since it is uncapable to calculate the TS. There is an exception for indoor rides, though - you can connect the powermeter to the Tacx Training app, in order to have the VO₂max and other metrics calculated. Select certified 3rd party apps like Zwift, Rouvy, and Trainer Road can do it too.
Ideally, Garmin would stop artificially limiting functionalities in their watches
What's exactly artificial on the fact that you own a three generations old low-end watch that was not designed with the purpose of supporting power meters? And why do you think any manufacturer would retrofit their old models, each time they release a functionality at a new model? Who would cover the cost of modifying the firmware of dozens of old models? Not speaking about the necessity to completely redesign the firmware of some models that was based on a different framework, not supporting the extensions developed for newer devices. Also, many features have higher demands on the hardware, and some old models may not be even capable to be retrofitted in this way, at all.
If you want to use certain functionality, it is always better to buy a watch that already has it in the specifications at the moment of your purchase, and not hoping Garmin adds it in the future.
Thanks for all your feedback! I was wrong about claiming that Garmin does not have a compare function, thanks for pointing that out. The filter function would have worked real good if you could filter on all the features that are displayed when you compare watches. In my case I wanted to filter on watches having VO2max support, but that is not possible as far as I can see. But I guess I can have overlooked a way of doing that too. Also, Garmin seem to have decided to leave out VO2 cycling as a feature. If you compare Forerunner 245, Forerunner 965 and Fenix 7 f.ex. you only see VO2 max run and VO2 max trail run. But maybe it means they actually do not support measuring VO2 max for cycling anymore? I know they have done it earlier since a colleague with an old Garmin showed me the picture below.
When it comes to limiting the functionality artificially, that is a quite common in software today, but you normally get the option to unlock the functionality. Just think about all the inn app purchases in Apple store f.ex. Since I was able to download a Garmin IQ app that connected to the power meter on the spinning cycle, it made me think that Garmin easily could have let me unlock that functionality as an add on. Of course I don't know the details of the Garmin hardware and how the different firmware for the watches is handled, so it is maybe impossible for the Forerunner 245 to provide VO2 max for cycling. But if they at least had made it easier for me to understand that I would not get that functionality when I bought the watch, it would have been easier for me to accept.
So, the bottom line for me I guess, is that they should improve the filtering possibilities in their web shop, to include all the features they show when comparing the watches, as well as adding VO2 cycling as a feature. Or, alternatively, provide an API so that developers could make custom wizards for selecting the perfect watch. From the network inspector in the web browser I can see that they do seem to have an API, but I am not able to find a documentation for it. Here is an example where you filter watches on solar charing capability: https://www.garmin.com/c/api/getProducts?FILTER_FEATURE_SOLAR_CHARGING=true&categoryKey=10002&locale=en-US&storeCode=US&appName=www-category-pages Maybe it is possible to specify a filter for VO2MAX etc.?
One thing I have forgotten to mention is that you need to buy a more expensive watch to be allowed to select between a larger selection of sports. On the forerunner 245 you are f.ex. not allowed to select cross country skiing or the less known racket sport of pickleball. I guess the filtering in the webshop should let you choose which sports you would like to be able to use the watch for too. Or, in my opinion, you should just be allowed to select all the available sports in Strava, which I guess most people upload their training to, for all the Garmin watches.
Well, I guess that is enough complaining from me, and I should probably go out training instead if I want to increase that VO2 max of mine ;)
If you compare Forerunner 245, Forerunner 965 and Fenix 7 f.ex. you only see VO2 max run and VO2 max trail run.
VO₂max is automatically available when your watch is compatible with power meters, and you have some. And as I already wrote, you can also get cycling VO₂max from indoor rides on apps like Tacx, Zwift, Rouvy, or TrainerRoad even without any device compatible with power meters.
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind, but the spinning bike is an ICG7, which I am pretty sure uses Ant+ to provide the power. And iphone does not support that without a dongle of some sort. I probably will upgrade my watch instead one day…
the spinning bike is an ICG7, which I am pretty sure uses Ant+ to provide the power
The specs tell BT & ANT+:
However, even if it supported just ANT+, the dongle for a PC or Mac costs 15€.
Just wanted to update this thread with my solution to my question. I made a garmin wizard where I downloaded all the specifications for all the watches as well as the prices. Then I selected the specifications I wanted and got a list of matching watches. I ended up buying a Forerunner 255. I tried to post a link to the wizard here, but someone reported it, so I guess you are not allowed to post links here. I did post it on reddit though, so if anyone is interested you can search for «which garmin watches monitor vo2 max» and you should find my answer in that thread.