What are the number of points needed for Levels from challenges/ badges?

The badge system would be better and more logical if you got discounts on Garmin products based on achieving a new level. Achieving levels 7 or above should earn a person a deep discount on the top Garmin Watches. Having a Garmin Watch and really using it as proven by the app and tracking gives Garmin a red hot list of enthusiasts for their products. 

If Garmin was smart they would award deep discounts on the next level up watches based on badges earned. It would be a marketing bonanza. 

Fwiw, I reached 6 and am more than half-way through to 7, but it is getting harder. I am 61. 10 years ago I could do a half marathon at a 9 min pace, now I am struggling to run 5k in under a 13 min pace. Joints and muscles are slowing me down, and I have used up all the expedition challenges. I will get to 7 in another year if my health remains where it is now, but 8 seems elusive. I will not definitely not get a paid subscription, even if it would get me there quicker. That just feels like an unfair shortcut to me.

I'm 150 points shy of Level 8 but, at age 67, I'm not even considering Level 9. That may mean I concentrate less on achieving all the monthly challenges, so I guess it will have become a bit of a disincentive.

trux said:

And I'd tell it is fair.

What exactly is fair about it? I'm a swimmer and there are only 2 challenges giving 1 point each. Even if I spend as much time swimming as a runner spends running, there's absolutely no way for me to catch up with a runner. Running gives absolutely most points in badges and I can't do it because of the bad hip. So how exactly is it fair?

You get the most points from walking. Everyone can walk. My wife does not do anything else, does not even use any watch for sleep tracking, has just the vivoki pedometer, and in fact only sporadically, and got to level 5 within 4 years.

However, if you want to get to level 10, you'd have to do more than just a single sport. Running alone, walking alone, swimming alone, or biking alone, would not be enough anyway. And again, it is fair. The highest level should be really hard to reach.

I'll repeat - I have a bad hip. Making more than 7K steps a day gives me pain and limping. So I do what I can. Yet my colleague connection is a runner and does marathons even though he got Garmin device later, he is one level ahead of me. He does pretty much same thing with running as I do with swimming yet he has 30+ marathons. Even if you do swimming marathons like 10k distance swimming there's no adequate reward for that. So no it's not fair across all sports 

I totally agree with you.  The point system is very fair fir walkers and runners.  If you get and pay fir the Ultra system, this system provides batter incentives and great AI insights.  I lift weights, swim, bike, and walk.  The system does not put the emphasis on swimming, weight training, and cycling that it should.  I agree with paying the Ultra Garmin subscription as long as they keep developing better point systems and levels. From level 6 it should not requiring doubling of points and levels 1 through 3 are ridiculously low point requirements.  A better system would be 365 points for each level and levels would keep going up as people gain each 365 increment.  It is a much better logic to equate points to roughly a days effort but keep bonuses for 30 and 60 days of continous effort.   If you do a 5 kilometer walk you get a point on some days but this should be for each day you get a 5 kilometer walk or more. Then swimming, weight lifting, running, cycling, yoga, and all other activities should work the same.  That change would make the system much more motivational and would require the fewest change to achieve a superior model.  On top of it the 365 level to level could go on into infinity and make each level show real hard work for consistency.   

Anyway is not fair... I do skitouring, skiing, snowboarding, downhill and enduro biking and climbing. I am very fit and I cannot reach the next level in 5 years.

Right now, I am avoiding all the challenges and I use the Garmin just for the normal tracking. I feel challenged enough by the sport that I do ;-)